
In the tradition of my self-indulgent posts--be warned.
This weekend was a difficult balance of joy and despair. Despite having the grandparents down to watch our babies while Chup and I took off for a snowy, romantic sleep-over, the minute we returned home I was bogged down by the weight of the world. I know I wasn't alone in this sentiment. I shared it with everyone.
I sat on the couch looking out the front window and stayed there for most of the day, peeling oranges for Squishy and reading books to Ever. My emotional capacity is always reduced when growing another human and knowing my limits I stayed away from the news. I knew if I were to read anything at all I wouldn't recover, ever. How does anyone?
Then there was the issue: to wear pants or to not wear pants.
I wanted to wear them but my fear kept knocking at my head. Fear that said, "What will people think of you?" My pants selection includes three maternity jeans and a whole bunch of miserable leggings I never-the-less wear every day of my life. So my pants-or-nearly-pants collection fell quite short of my Sunday Best. But something was really nagging at me, something hurt, something wasn't right and the more I thought about it, the more I realized I needed to join my sisters at church in pants. And the minute I decided to go for it, I felt the weight lifted off me, I felt positivity return to my veins. I knew I was choosing my right.
After the children were in bed and the house picked up, I grabbed the keys and told Chup I was going pants shopping. He was cautiously supportive, but added "pick me up a purple tie too" (purple is the traditional color of the suffragettes). It was pretty late and I was worried the stores where my small pants budget would be useful were going to be closed. Barely I made it to the first store where I tried on a mountain's worth of clothes, pants and purple items, enough to make me feel like something might work. But my gestational appearance made all the pants fit like a well-fed grandpa in pajamas and the purple attire was more Barney than anything. Someday I hope my vanity extinguishes the last puffs of pride in me, but I'm not there yet.
Moving on to the next store, I had worse luck and when the lady on the intercom rushed me with her, "It's now closing time" I panicked. At least I can pick up Chup a tie, I thought and headed to the neck-wear display. The first tie in my vision was completely purple and plaid, the next one was a Mad Men-esque black one. I wish Chup would wear black ties, I thought, they are so modern. And then it hit me, YOU CAN WEAR BLACK TIES.
Bingo!
After I got home with the ties and our traditional roast beef for Sunday dinner, my neighbor Janna came over for a late rendezvous. She walked in through my front door saying, "I am wearing pants tomorrow!" and I cheered--silently though because the first rule of motherhood is to NEVER wake a sleeping child. We talked well into the early morning about our reasons for supporting this cause. By the time she left, I felt even more resolved and peaceful.
I would like to say, maybe, that the next morning when I was getting dressed I was liberated enough to tie my own tie, but no, Chup tied it for me. It was somehow symbolic though to stand tie-to-tie in the mirror as he flipped and knotted, I mean, Chup didn't feel that way ("It's too Annie Hall for me") but I felt it. When he was all done, my top knot secured at the base of my white shirt, a pang of fear hit me in the belly. Fear in the belly for me, usually means I am about to expose my vulnerability. It's nervousness at showing something I've wanted to keep hidden. Whenever I feel it, I know I am about to meet myself at a deeper level.
And then we walked into church, found a pew in our half-emptied chapel (we are a ward with lots of BYU students who leave for the Christmas break) and situated ourselves. The minute I sat down I was filled with joy, I was--surprisingly--the most happy I have been in awhile. Then the first notes of Silent Night came pouring out of the organ and as I joined the congregation in singing about the birth of Christ I was reduced to tears. I actually wanted to slump to my knees and double-over and sob. I looked at my sweet children and my good husband and all of my friends and neighbors all singing together and I felt so loved. I felt like God was parting the clouds and zeroing his intense love for me right on my head.
In our meeting we prayed for the families in Newtown and we prayed for more love and compassion. The ward choir sang and Sister Woodbury narrated the story of the nativity. After our first meeting was over, I caught up with Janna and several other sisters wearing pants. There was a moment of solidarity for certain, and if that was one of my hopes, it was happily met.
After the second meeting our bishop rounded up the young men in our ward who have joined together to support a new friend in the ward from Samoa. They all wear matching lava lavas every Sunday and most of them pass the sacrament in them. I've thought it was beautiful for sometime now, but as we lined up for a "photo of support" I got to tell them all. I am also grateful for a bishop who knows my heart and loves me. I always feel loved by him.

Race, at my right, promised to be in the photo only if I posted it on my blog. Promised fulfilled.
Then I stole some cheese crackers from the nursery because in my excitement that morning I forgot to feed myself other than two tiny clementines. I didn't want to puke on my shiny new black tie, no I didn't.
In our third hour meeting I taught the young women discussion which was supposed to be about time management, but instead they wanted to know more about the tie and the pants thing. Along with two other like-minded and sincere youth leaders (one unmarried sister and one married with three young daughters) we talked to our young women about how the gospel empowers women and men to become like God. We testified that no matter where God leads them, they will always have options, there will always be support and they should never feel less for their unique paths. My skin wouldn't stop prickling up. I felt moved and grateful. The young women did a lot of the talking which to me, is a sign of time well spent.
We ended the meeting with this thought from the original lesson, "the one thing that definitively makes everyone equal is time. No matter who we are or what you believe, we all have the same amount of time in a day. So choose wisely how to spend yours."

Janna in pants with Millie and Kylie after the lesson in the young women class.
After church we came home, ate bowls of cereal and put the girls down for a nap. I prepared for my speech I was to give that night at our ward's Evening of Excellence. But some time before then I locked myself in the bedroom, planked down on the bed and thanked my Heavenly Father for the experience of the day. For the visions and hopes he sends me in my asking. He has been good to me and I want to be better for Him. I want to be wife who serves, a mother who listens and a friend who supports. I just want to be good.
The beautiful experiences of my weekend didn't make up for the evil we all witnessed, and the next day I couldn't even get out of bed with the thought of it all (Chup and the children made me breakfast in bed, at 11:30, and the kids proceeded to eat it all as soon as it was placed on my lap--it's all small sacrifices in motherhood, isn't?) but I allowed myself one morning to sit in near-silence to contemplate all I consumed this weekend.
And that's it.
112 comments:
But you see, Heavenly Father Loved you, your bishop loved you, your husband loved you, everyone loved you just as much as they did BEFORE you wore a tie too.
Thanks for this post and your thoughts. I too am in hormone madness and after the horrific Friday, the thought of Pants Sunday was just too much for me personally. I thought "really? We need to do this right now?" I don't know, it felt selfish and hollow to me - but then I'm the girl who was in the bathroom crying during Primary sharing time.
Anyhow, I do appreciate your words. It gave me some perspective and also reminded me that sometimes He wants to give us things we desidre, but He is waiting for us to ask.
Love it. I felt that same peace wearing my pants. And that same sorrow and love from the Spirit and camaraderie and everything at once.
It was a good, full day.
@Lindsey but you see, I never doubted that. Ever. And I've never alluded to that sentiment on this blog. Ever. Wearing the tie gave me an opportunity to feel it even more. And so I can clearly see why my Heavenly Father would prompt me to stand with my sisters--to give me an opportunity to feel and testify of His love even more.
Onward!
As a non-mormon and non-church french woman, I am both shocked, fascinated and surprised by what's going on in your church; the peer pressure!... I admire all of you for believing in change. Keep going and it will happen! Being feminine is not about skirts or dresses, it's about inventing yourself freely...
Not a single woman wore pants in my ward. It was wonderful. I'm sorry, but Sacrament meeting is not the place to make a statement. I have faith that things are the way they are because that is how our Heavenly Father wants it. D&C 98:12 "For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith". It's not our place to say when that time will be. We need to have faith in Him because this is His church. No pair of pants will change that.
"He has been good to me and I want to be better for Him. I want to be wife who serves, a mother who listens and a friend who supports. I just want to be good."
Best line ever Courtney - I feel you on this one. You also reminded me that God does put those visions of dreams in our mind - and I never thought that dreams could come true, but God has been proving me so wrong on that fact here lately. Thanks for the reminder that if God is giving me those dreams, I need to step out in faith and go for them.
I am glad you had such a great experience on Sunday. It was just a normal good Sunday for me. The days leading up to church I was already wondering who would be wearing pants and I was having a hard time focusing on preparing my primary lesson and other things. I prayed that I would be able to attend church in the right mindset with the spirit. When I got to church I forgot the whole pants wearing thing and I didn't notice any women wearing them...maybe because I wasn't looking. It didn't matter to me. I was thankful that my prayers were answered.
i said this over on FB and want to say it here, too:
i S0 love you perspective & attitude
and marvel and laugh at all those people who feel they have to "correct" us (with scripture, of course...that makes them so much more "right" about anything and everything) about how wrong we all are...as if they truly know His thinking on all of this better than those who have pondered and prayed and come up with the answer like yours. i guess they want to scold your bishop, too...?
It does seem a delicate balance, fussing over this pants issue when we are being hit in the face repeatedly that there are more important things in life. I wondered how that whole issue was going to shake out in the light of this new, dreary time we are all slugging through. I hope it mellowed the fervor a bit, as feminism is an important and noble cause, but not something to attack one another over. We need to be loving our sisters and brothers and supporting their beliefs, because they certainly aren't hurting anyone.
I tried to avoid the news for a while too...couldn't be done, and I felt like it was callous to ignore their pain in the first place. In my defense didn't think my pregnant hormones could take it. Once I let it in I found it hard to breathe, I've cried every day since Friday, but unfortunately that's life. Their grief deserves our time and tears.
I love the way you write and express yourself...wish I was so talented. I too agonized over the decision. I prayed over and over. I read the Proclamation, my patriarchal blessing, and the scriptures. I called my sister sobbing because the choice meant so much to me. I did not feel peace until I said to her "I HAVE to wear pants". I knew my answer. I'm fairly certain I was the only one in my ward (besides my husband and daughters who wore purple). And I'm certain that some people just didn't understand. But I feel confident in my decision and I'm so glad that I participated. I notice myself treating my husband and children differently - with more respect and love.
Time out: is that Race Acheson? I babysat him as a little babe with his big bro. Whoa. An "I'm old" moment for me.
CJane - I admire your courage in putting your thoughts out there in writing. You have made many people think, and I don't believe you take it personally if people see things a different way. I happen to be in full agreement with how you feel, have felt many of the same emotions, but have never been brave enough to blog about them. I just kind of skim along and never actually COMMIT to my opinions. Your example has given me the strength to own my convictions. Thank you.
I guess I don't understand what the pants people are hoping to achieve. Is it that you want to hold the Priesthood? You wanna be Bishop? That goes against fundental principles of the gospel that are eternal and will never change. Is it that you want respect? A seat in ward council meeting? Done and done. Can you say in tangible terms what you hope will change as a result of all the pants (and necktie) wearing at church? I want to understand, because I love women! But I can't help feeling you don't understand your role as a woman if you're trying to be more like a man.
Well when you were writing your life story you seemed to say several times that you didn't feel you were of worth unless you were married and having babies. You talked about that a lot..it seemed like the reason you got married so young..because you felt God would love you more if you did...Correct me if I'm wrong on that but I am pretty sure you said that. It seems to me like that sentiment you grew up believing is the root of your feminist feelings now. Again correct me if I am wrong on this..please clear things up for me because theses posts have been oh so confusing. I can tell you really took the time to carefully write this post to try and justify what you did and sort of put those who would disagree to shame, but I feel you are holding back what is really going on.Again I will ask you, do you think women should have the priesthood? And what do you hope happens in the church and will it ever be enough to where you won't feel the need to wear pants or a tie to church? I am not trying to be sarcastic, I am really wondering these things. I mean you are starting to post this stuff but I feel like you are sort of stradling a fence of sorts.
So I'm totally against the pants thing but your post made me cry so...well said? Even if I disagree? Is that what that means?
Ok I am confused. i thought you said you were wearing pants but the picture with the boys you have tights and a skirt on. Was the tie and jacket a replacement of the pants? I don't get it....
I don't think the good Lord cares if a tie is ALL we wear to church as long as we go, although I'm sure somebody has multiple scriptures to quote to prove me wrong.
I thought I'd read this post and think, "ugh, Cjane...", but it was sweet. The whole pants thing has been a little annoying, if I can be honest, but I'm not Mormon, and women wear pants at my church (I like short skirts! Ha!), but it doesn't matter. May we all strive to love our families and be good, just as you said.
I guess I am confused because I don't understand the pants thing that everyone seems to be talking about. I am pretty confident that women could wear pants any Sunday they choose to if they want. I am also pretty confident that no one in the church would "kick them out" if they did wear pants. I think the whole ideas of "Sunday best" is that we present ourselves in a respectful manner... skirt/pants- does it really matter? If people are judging one way or another, we really are missing the whole point of being a Christian to begin with.
I rarely comment because you get so many, but I feel moved to today. I appreciate your commitment to a cause that may be unpopular in your family and community. I personally think that as long as women look nice in church that is all that should matter. In every ward I've lived in women have worn pants, usually older women who should be more traditional, right? I think our Heavenly Father, and your Bishop, and your husband and everyone, would and should love you and everyone regardless of what you or anyone wears to church, as long as they do their best to look their nicest. Tie or not. Pants or not. Period. The God I believe in cares a lot more about how we treat one another, whether or not we JUDGE one another than what we wear.
I just want to say, politely, to people who ask things such as "you want to hold the priesthood?" and "you want to be Bishop?" and "was the tie and jacket a replacement of the pants" to please give CJane the respect of READING her posts where she explains all these things before commenting. Thanks!
She has not said whether or not she thinks women should hold the priesthood. It is a simple question and she is the one that keeps writing about being a Mormon feminist. Many Mormon feminists want women to hold the priesthood. We are just wondering how she feels about this. I think it is a very valid and appropriate question for this interesting topic. And I am trying to be polite as well. I guess if she doesn't want to answer the question that is fine, but many people will continue to wonder how she feels about women and the priesthood unless she adresses it herself.
Cjane. I have really enjoyed your writing and blog for over 5 years now. I lie how you speak your mind and your writing always adds emotion and sincerity. But that being said this post was really disappointing. I have disagrees before but never commented because, to each his own. And honestly I didn't hear a single word about the pants thing until after the fact. But I don't understand why what you wear should make you feel oppressed in anyway? Maybe because I wear pants regularly so my Sunday best is a dress or a skirt. I like getting dressed an feeling feminine. Femininity does not mean less than a man. We as women have different jobs. Personally I have struggled with areas of our church where I wish I could give a blessing or why is my love not equal to priesthood. But them I remember that it is. God loves me and have me, a woman certain roles, different roles than a man. Wearing pants feels like I am telling god I want more. Where I already have my plate full with 5 kids, being a strong member and trying to be an example to those Mormon but eapecially non Mormon around me. I just felt that in all your post you have been so true to yourself and proud of who you are if one day you ha to wear pants it wouldn't be to prove a point or make a statement. But because you didn't have anything else to wear and you could care less who judged you for it. And if people judge for clothing then that's their problem and no one else's. anyway. Just my opinion. All misspelled and all. I'm writing from my phone and spell check is horrible!
From http://www.lds.org/manual/a-parents-guide?lang=eng
But members of the Church must not be deceived about one immutable truth: there is eternal significance in being a man or a woman. The history of the gospel from Adam to this final dispensation documents equal respect for the roles of men and women and the need for all men and women to develop their gifts to the utmost through living the commandments of God. But within that same gospel framework are some realities about differences between the two genders. This means that there are some exclusive things men are to do and some that women are to do.
And this too:
In the Grand Council in Heaven—a family council—we covenanted to accept and magnify, with increasing responsibility, the various roles of eternal life. We agreed to go beyond being brothers and sisters to the sacred mortal roles of daughters and sons, wives and husbands, and mothers and fathers. These roles are eternal and are ordained of God. They are not subject to revision by social scientists, by legislation, or by personal decision. Our Father’s covenants with us are on his terms, for he is perfect and knows precisely how we can attain virtue and do the most good.
I didn't even know about the pants wearing until Saturday night and I made the decision not to wear them. You see...I LOVE skirts. Each Sunday when I put on my Sunday Best--to me that means skirts. I felt as though making a statement saying that I want to have the privilege to wear pants to church wasn't necessary. OF COURSE I can wear pants and I will never ever judge a woman who does. It's "Sunday Best" and the definition of that is personally yours.
However, because I didn't completely understand the purpose at the time, which I believe now is a bit deeper in such a comradery, I completely get why you and many other women were involved to support a church organization where all are made to feel equal. I don't know if many/including me/understood that real reason to begin with.
It's not about the pants, people. Sheesh. And clothes do not make the woman or the man, or the feminine or the masculine. That is only outside appearance. God looks on the heart. And I believe you can make a stand for what you believe and have your heart in the right place whether I support you or not. We're all different, God gifted us all uniquely. CJane has put her finger on an issue that has existed for many, many women. If it is not your issue, that's OK too.
At this point in the pants debacle of 2012 it sort of feels like people are just trying to willfully misunderstand the purpose. Also, I think for those of us on board with pants, our purposes are personal and individual and more complicated than can ever be explained. Especially since the more I try to explain, the more push back I seem to receive from people who I love who are telling me they don't get it, but then definitely making no effort to get it. Dude, I could go on all day about this.... I loved this post of yours, and I was really touched by the boys and their lava lavas--learning that they wear them often to support a friend. That is awesome.
I did read her post multiple times thank you! I read all her posts! I was confused obviously(like I said in my comment if you had "respect" it in reading that part) I thought she was going to add the black tie and jacket to the pants. Sorry if I was too dumb for you.
@Kate,
I read a lot of the post of the Wear Pants to Church FB page. The reason I got turned off of "the cause" was because a lot of the women were saying they want the priesthood. I think fighting to change the culture and fighting to get the priesthood are 2 vastly different things. The latter will not EVER happen. I agree with changing he culture but you are fighting against the church, not against the real root of the sadness. It's like the saying the Gospel is perfect, but the people are not. Just like CJanes family. They truly love each other and you can tell that from the post, BUT there are some who think differently about how women are viewed. Does that make their love for her any less? It's like the church, their are some people in the church that think women are less because they can't hold the priesthood, but is that reallhy how it is?? No.
I am a feminist but when holding the priesthood came up I got turned off the cause. I know that is what the group had in mind but there you go.
Honestly ladies!!! Why oh why as women do some feel it is ok to be disappointed and pass judgement on another woman for what she feels is right??? As someone who grew up in the church around the world so my father could build temples I was taught to love and not judge. I no longer go to church yet I respect and have no malice to those that do. C Jane I applaud you for going against the grain because you felt it was right for you! This is one of the issues that non members can see and feel; supposed sisters in Zion attacking one a other and their decisions. Heavenly Father knows each of us and the desires of our hearts and the only one qualified to judge is him and yet he's the one loving unconditionally. If your going to judge in one breath and quote a scripture in another perhaps some self reflecting needs to happen. Wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas and whether I agree with all you do and say or not I respect as a fellow human being :)
Elder Jeffery R Holland said
"First of all, I want you to be proud you are a woman. I want you to feel the reality of what that means, to know who you truly are. You are literally a spirit daughter of heavenly parents with a divine nature and an eternal destiny. 1 That surpassing truth should be fixed deep in your soul and be fundamental to every decision you make as you grow into mature womanhood. There could never be a greater authentication of your dignity, your worth, your privileges, and your promise. Your Father in Heaven knows your name and knows your circumstance. He hears your prayers. He knows your hopes and dreams, including your fears and frustrations. And He knows what you can become through faith in Him. "
"I make a special appeal regarding how young women might dress for Church services and Sabbath worship. We used to speak of “best dress” or “Sunday dress,” and maybe we should do so again. In any case, from ancient times to modern we have always been invited to present our best selves inside and out when entering the house of the Lord—and a dedicated LDS chapel is a “house of the Lord.” Our clothing or footwear need never be expensive, indeed should not be expensive, but neither should it appear that we are on our way to the beach. When we come to worship the God and Father of us all and to partake of the sacrament symbolizing the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we should be as comely and respectful, as dignified and appropriate as we can be. We should be recognizable in appearance as well as in behavior that we truly are disciples of Christ, that in a spirit of worship we are meek and lowly of heart, that we truly desire the Savior’s Spirit to be with us always."
Pants, dress, doesn't matter...it never has. If you feel the church doesn't esteem women as much as men you don't know the doctrine. I have always felt empowered, revered, and needed in the Lord's kingdom. (And the cushy seats in the Relief society room are proof that the brethren care! ) ;)
Katie May - I don't think you're dumb and sorry if my comment came across as harsh (which upon rereading it I can see how it would. My apologies.) I thought CJane explained the tie and no pants when she said this "But my gestational appearance made all the pants fit like a well-fed grandpa in pajamas and the purple attire was more Barney than anything. Someday I hope my vanity extinguishes the last puffs of pride in me, but I'm not there yet." I took that to mean she felt she looked awful in the pants, and very self-conscious. She then decided against wearing the pants, and chose the tie because she still wanted to show her support for the women who chose to wear pants that day.
@Kate
You wrote, "it sort of feels like people are just trying to willfully misunderstand the purpose." (and your whole comment really)
Amen! and THANK YOU! Honestly, how many THOUSANDS of comments can people leave that all say the same exact things over and over again no matter who and how many times it is explained....
"I don't get it. Pants. So stupid! You can wear pants if you want! You will NEVER have the priesthood. Pants!!! IDIOTS!!!! PAAANNNTTSSS!!! Thank GOODNESS there were no pants in MY Sacrament meeting! Pants! Sacrament is not a time to protest! Way to not care about the shooting! Pants!!!"
I swear. If I have to explain the pants thing to one more person I will explode.
At this point, if you don't get it, then just give up. And if you really feel the need to troll around on C Jane and other blogs of people who wore pants just so you can leave the same unkind, unproductive comments over and over again...well, then I would say your heart is not in a good place. Let it go. Just because it isn't YOUR cause doesn't mean its not very important to someone else.
Sorry.
I'm ranting.
I just can't fathom how such a simple idea, and some feminists wearing pants to church, turned into thousands of Mormons leaving thousands of nasty comments all over the internet for all the world to see. Oye.
C. Jane. Thank you so much for writing. It is so good to hear from someone who loves the church, has a testimony and is a feminist all at the same time. You are wonderful.
@Emily I will agree to disagree with you about how the church changes. Modern revelation allowed for blacks to have the priesthood when Brigham Young (and others) said they never ever would. If people feel a need they are allowed to petition the Lord to have that need met. How it it answered and plays out is out of my hands and yours.
Someone else in these comments said something like if this isn't your issue then that's okay. I don't like the feeling that at every turn I am being corrected by someone who experiences the gospel in a different way than I do.
@ I'm A. YES. BRAVO!!! Everything you said. Thank you. :)
I have learned so much about Mormons through your blog. I respect and admire the family closeness, honesty, and kindness that seem to be inherent within this faith. BUT--I don't get the ‘pants thing’. Why does it matter what one wears to church? Pants or skirts--does God really care? Should your friends and neighbors care? It seems incredibly superficial and not at all aligned with Christian beliefs. Love, respect, and service have nothing to do with your clothes. Anyone who would judge you for it might consider looking within for what is truly important and direct that energy toward something that matters.
Btw, I live in a beach community and attend a Presbyterian church right on the beach. It is not unusual for members of the congregation to wear shorts and flip flops to church services. And you know what? These are wonderful men, women, and children who love the Lord, serve their community, and travel to far-away places to help those in need and spread the Word. I’m pretty sure God only cares about what is in your heart, not what is on your body. –I suppose that is something I will never understand about Mormons.
Beautiful comment !!! That' was my point exactly the negativity and in Christlike comments are all from " Christlike" members! Truly a shame
I disagree with you, but I'm trying to understand the mormon feminist point of view and I'm really wondering what your thoughts are on this link that has been going around. It pretty much sums up everything I know is true about women in the church. Just wondering if mormon feminists agree or disagree with this. http://mormonscholarstestify.org/1718/valerie-hudson-cassler
I'm saddened by the division this seems to have created among women in the church. I hope we can all love one another and not be disagreeable even if we disagree.
Okay I promise this will be my last comment on this but I don't feel I have been rude. And the only reason I am repeating what I said is because I would like C Jane to answer a question I am simply curious about. The reason for my curiosity is well founded in the fact that many Mormon feminists who asked women to wear pants to church also think women should have the priesthood. C Jane has talked about how the culture of the church can opress women..I totally get that. But did she join with theother pants wearing women who want not only cultural change but also doctrinal change. Was this not only a mourning thing but also a statement that she thinks women should have the priesthood. In light of the fact that she had brought this issue out on her blog I do not think this is a rude or inappropriate question.
Also, of course people will repeat the same type of comments on a topic they are passionate about. That is called a debate...and I think as long as everyone is civil no one should be threatened by another opinion. It is narrow minded to think that someone should not be able to say what they think on anything..even if the point was already made, there is empowerment in having your own voice. Just like you just did yourself...with some thoughts that had really already been stated as well. But that is okay..you wanted to add your voice and that is fine.
CJane, Thank you so much for your willingness to share and be open (and loving, thoughtful, respectful) about this topic. How I long to those qualities from everyone discussing this. I am very similar in my understandings of these issues. I don't consider myself completely feminist, but I agree with some. Even feminists can agree to disagree. We each have our own journey.
And for you people asking about whether we want the priesthood…. Yes, some do. Some don't. Some have understandings about how we share in its power already.
Both "sides" (why are we letting opinions divide instead of agreeing to disagree) could learn from each other if we were more Christ-like.
Thank you, Lauren. It is NOT about the pants. STOP worrying about the pants. Time and again I read comments (that are sometimes downright mean) about how we want to become men and get rid of our feminine self. I love being a woman. I love being a wife and mother. What I don't understand are why we can't change certain customs. Or if I do understand how they came about, I don't understand why it's a big deal to change custom. It is about changing social and cultural norms. It is about finding our that we are not alone. It is about loving, accepting, and welcoming EVERYONE into the church. Me personally...I am not asking for any doctrinal changes. I know that God will give us those in time. I know that we agreed to come to this earth and to live by this plan. I know that Heavenly Father has given us his order, but I also know that some things are socially and culturally made. And by the way, I have seen PLENTY of ladies wearing skirts and dresses that are totally inappropriate in my opinion, but I have never tried to get upset with these women. They come to worship in clothing they feel comfortable in.
The whole response to this issue is ridiculous. Some loving, christian women are not acting so loving and christian. Please just follow the Relief Society motto.... "Charity Never Faileth." Put your arm around that "strange" man or woman and find something in common. We can disagree AND still be friends. I will be your friend. I probably like you already.
Way off topic, but I must ask. Is that the Millie that you once said, in a post long ago, would fill us all in on the active and vibrant African-American community in Provo?
I was incredibly confused as I read this post thinking to myself "what's the big deal with a woman wearing pants? or a tie"?
And then I realized that the Mormon Church apparently thinks it is a big deal. I am absolutely appalled by such blatantly backwards thinking.
I am a woman who loves God, and no religious organization will EVER tell me what I can or cannot wear.
That photo is priceless. Whether it be neck tie, skirt, pants, lava lava, boy, girl, whatever. If I felt like wearing dress pants on Sunday I would. It should matter to no one. Dresses/skirts for women are cultural and traditional, not doctrinal. This is why in some other places women wear pants to church (i've seen it), or men wear skirts. This should be a non issue. Seems the real subject should be why on earth our clothes create some kind of unnecessary judgement by anyone in the church building or neighborhood. Bravo on your interpretation.
I have to say that I have never felt less of a person being a woman in our church. In fact, it has been the exact opposite. Our church lifts up women like no one else I know. Given that, the idea of wearing pants to church felt silly to me and like I would be sending a statement to our wonderful leaders that they don't treat me equally when, in fact, they do. The events that occurred Friday sealed in my heart the pettiness of so many of our daily activities and made a "wear pants to church day" seem incredibly trivial. And so, on Sunday, I wore my regular dress and regular shoes and went to church with my heart on my sleeve as I held my 6-year-old close and grieved the broken hearts of those parents who couldn't. The farthest thing from my mind that day was the need to make any sort of statement. I was there to worship my God and send prayers to the broken-hearted families in our nation. I am, however, happy that you found what you were looking for during your worship on Sunday as well. Merry Christmas to you, Cjane. May we all love each other despite our differences.
It ok thanks for explaining :) my pregnant brain doesn't work to well. All my kiddos have sucked out all my brain cells :)
So basically- you chickened out. OK.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this:
http://mormonscholarstestify.org/1718/valerie-hudson-cassler
Who knew pants were such a big deal! Ya'll fascinate me. Seriously. I really identify a lot with Cjane, despite being a liberal, free-thinker. I've been trying to understand Mormonism just because it never hurts to find understanding and common ground - that's the kind of person I am - but oh-so-very often reading these comments is like peering into the interior of a mysterious cult or a just-discovered village nestled deep in the Amazon. The concepts you all talk so comfortably about are so foreign to me. Blows my mind sometimes. PS You rock the tie.
Hilarry and Preston - Speaking as a non-Mormon, and only for myself, I find that CJane shows me the positive side of the Church of Latter-Day Saints. The fact that she intelligently questions, tries her best to live the gospel, admits she had made mistakes and struggles not to hurt others through them, lives her life with passion and wit, loves her husband and children deeply and obviously, shows me that can one claim the Mormon religion proudly and not be a member of some weird, anti-woman, anti-homosexual, anti-black, polygamous, pedophile cult. Y'all should be proud of CJane. I understand you might have issues with some of what she says, but she's one of the best spokespersons your faith has today.
The pants thing was not a think in my Southern California ward. I'm guessing it was mostly based in Utah?
At any rate, I find it interesting less for feminist reasons and more because Mormons are creatures of habit. We tend to be judgemental of anyone who doesn't fit the mold. I am especially aware of this when my non-member mother wears pants to church to see a primary program and I cringe. Then I think - why am I cringing - she looks nice, it is FINE.
I am trying to be better, not be so judgemental, and realize that although there is truth in the church, there is also tradition, and we don't all have to follow the same exact traditions to demonstrate our faith.
As a non-mormon (with many LDS friends), I was intrigued with the strength in which people "chose sides" on this issue. I thought that a statement I read on another blog summed up the issue nicely, that culture and doctrine were two different things and THAT's what 'pants to church" was really all about. I applaud you for being willing (on multiple occasions) to stand for what you believe in your heart and not conforming to what could be the easier route. Wishing you and yours a blessed holiday.
This is a wonderful Mormon, Feminist essay, you will all enjoy:
http://mormonscholarstestify.org/1718/valerie-hudson-cassler
She gets it.
I agree with Laurie. Were it not for CJane I would have many of the same stereotypes stuck in my head about ALL Mormons. As it is, from reading the comments on this blog regularly, it appears to an outsider as if she is a bit of an anomaly in her religious group...even among her own family. It takes guts to be that - no matter what group you are in. Cjane deserves a pat on the back for striving to do her best to represent her church and her womanhood in a thoughtful way despite human fallibility. If anyone is hurting missionary efforts, it's definitely not CJane. I am free-thinker and I would gladly welcome her into my home.
This whole 'pants' to church conversation is foreign to me. As a practicing Catholic in Mass every Sunday, I'm nearly always in pants. People can say what they like about Catholics but they really don't dress up much for Mass ( too casual, in many respects. I did make my daughter's friend bring a pair of jeans along with her on a shopping day that was going to end with Mass on a Saturday night, because I was appalled to see her wearing such SHORT shorts...and into Mass no less? She did go back into her house and brought a pair of jeans for church.). I'm sure you don't wear jeans as pants to church. But anyway - - IMO it's what in our hearts and actions that define us as how we live our faith. I know you are serious about yours, too, so no mocking from me about how it's taken until 2012 for this to occur for LDS women.
And.... heck yea. I LOVE the tie and all that it means. That photos of the guys? Priceless.
jeannie
Have any of you read Stephanie's blog from yesterday? (nienie dialogues)
This is a response to her little snippy point at the end.
You're sisters. Quit fighting with each other via blog postings. Your passive agressive behavior is embarassing for ANY woman let alone "strong Mormon women."
If you truly consider yourself a feminist, it's time to lift each other up. Especially your fellow female friends and family! You and your sister should be ashamed of yourselves for this childish behavior. You're making all women look bad. Grow up.
Hilarry and Preston - I don't believe I called her a spokesperson, and I don't recall her saying that either. I am someone who stumbled across her blog and I keep coming back for her writing and wit and thoughtfulness. It just so happens that because CJane is a Mormon, my world view in regards to Mormonism has been shaped and my horizons broadened through the reading of her posts. Isn't that wonderful? Such a happy accident!
In my last comment, I simply wanted to point out that from my personal perspective, she makes your religion seem more palatable and I appreciate her thoughtfulness and honesty. And, in a different way, my first comment was meant to speak to how the comments section often provides a completely different and fascinating insight into a group I'm not part of. Quite often those comments confirm the stereotype, sometimes it is surprising...but it is always fascinating in a the way that all new ideas are.
@ Hilarry and Preston
It was me who said "spokesperson." Sorry, I did not mean it in an "official spokesperson" sense. But CJane has a very popular blog and is the face of Mormonism for many of us outside the faith. Stephanie is the same, as are many others "Mormon Mommy Bloggers." If I'm not mistaken, your church leadership encouraged this kind of activity for members not too long ago.
@ B. Robinson
Re: Valerie Hudson Cassier article - Some excellent points. However, as a member of one of the "Abrahamic Faiths," I would like to debate her re: the place of women in those faiths. I think she has confused doctrine and cultural practice in Abrahamic Faiths just as she says some have done in the LDS faith.
Remember when there were no such things as blog comments? Me neither, but I really really wish I did. I too felt a lot of peace at church while wearing pants, it was great to stand in solidarity with other sisters.
Oh, I always love to hear others share experiences that have brought them joy and peace- especially during very dark and difficult times such as this past weekend (and even presently.) So thank you so much for sharing this post CJane!! :0)
The "Pants Movement" didn't affect me much... I enjoy wearing dresses and skirts to church and will likely continue doing so. :0) However, since Friday's tragedy, I can't stop thinking about another "Movement"- that of focusing our time and energy on understanding more about Mental and Emotional struggles that adults, youth, and even children have. Because I'll tell ya, it sure seems like these types of struggles are on the rise in our stressful and busy world. I think we'd all agree that any individual that can kill beautiful, innocent lives, is not in their right mind. I'd love to see a movement where we begin letting folks who struggle with things like Bi polar, Depression, or perhaps a personality disorder of some kind-- where we help them to feel completely comfortable announcing it to the world and asking for help... young people especially need to be able to do this. They need to be able to announce to their friends and to others that they have these struggles and that the last thing they need is to be judged. Rather they need love, compassion, and help. CJane & friends, how can we make this type of Movement as big as the "Pants" issue, because after Friday's horrific events, I'm willing to do anything to help people with mental health struggles to feel healthy and accepted- and to lead happy and meaningful lives.
Hi CJane! I have read your blog for years, and have never commented. I love your writing, and am thankful for your perpective. To all my sisters in the gospel who have commented harshly regarding the "pants" day, I must say that I am saddened. I was not personally on board with the idea; however, I love and adore several sisters of mine who did wear pants. I am shocked at how quickly the strong, anger filled opintions, and judgments came flying. Might I add this quote by President Uchtdorf: "We simply have to stop judging others and replace judgmental thoughts and feelings with a heart full of love for God and His children," "This topic of judging others could actually be taught in a two-word sermon," he said. "When it comes to hating, gossiping, ignoring, ridiculing, holding grudges or wanting to cause harm — please apply the following: Stop it!"
I so agree with you! Before I started reading Courtney's blog I would not even have opened my door if a missionary came knocking. I thought they were all pushy, odd, cult-like people. Through this blog I have come to somewhat understand and completely respect Mormonism. Not only would I open my door, but I would gladly invite them inside for a snack and conversation. CJane has removed much of the mystery and negative stereotypes previously associated with Mormons. And it's nice to know that she can practice her faith without being a brainwashed 'Stepford Wife'. When we stop questioning, learning, and evolving, we stagnate. Kudos, Courtney. Even when I don't agree with you, I cheer you on!
I am so grateful that I can wear skirts to church because it shows reverence to my Heavenly Father and I love Him more than being in pants, which I wear every day. I want it to be a day different than any other and I want my daughters to know that too! It is a day of offering our service and partaking of the sacrament to renew our covenants and show our gratitude for our Savior. Not a day to make a stand for whatever feminist rights you think we should have. Make those stands somewhere else! I am so thankful that no women in our ward wore pants.
Ahh...CJane, I love you more and more. I think your tie was the perfect gesture within your circumstances.
I wore pants to church for the first time ever and had such a lovely experience feeling blessed and bathed with good feelings. I didn't see anyone else wearing pants and I was ok with that. The peace I felt confirmed that I had made a good decision.
Thanks for your perspective and humor and insight!
More than the pants thing, I think that you, CJANE overcame caring what others thought of you and was just happy being you (which still held true to the mormon faith, because they have clearly stated that you can wear pants or a skirt). You don't need to be a mormon feminist to do this, in fact, you didn't even wear pants. You were just less concerned with others judgement. Kudos!
As someone who has only experienced the church in America while at the MTC I kind of don't get the pants thing. There are women here who wear pants to church - power suit types.
They are wearing their best and frankly that's often nicer than some of the things I pull together with a skirt.
It just doesn't seem like a 'thing' here. (Australia)
I remember wearing ties while in the MTC and having some of the Elders tell me that they didn't think girls should. They were American elders, and no one else really cared about it.
I think it's good to make people think though. To test the boundaries of peoples beliefs in things like this so that they can recognise where their understandings of these things come from. Mormon myth type things.
Its also nice to see the boys in faitaga. My dad is half Samoan and ironically, though men may wear 'skirts' to church, Samoan women won't wear pants.
As a non-Mormon, I don't understand why it is anyone's business if CJane believes that women should "hold the priesthood" (is that the right way to say it?)
Some of the most faithful Catholic women I know believe that women should be allowed to be priests. The Church says it will never happen but these women pray for it anyway.
I don't see the problem. Or why someone's opinion on it need be made public. Isn't it a private issue between the person and God?
Something the "no pants on Sunday cause it doesn't respect God" group may want to consider: my mom has lymphedema in both legs because the lymph nodes that drained lymphatic fluid from her legs were removed due to cancer. As a result, her ankles are hugely swollen all the time. "Cankles" doesn't begin to describe it. She is stared at, laughed at, people take pictures of her legs when they think she isn't looking. As you can imagine, this pains her deeply. As a result, she camouflages her legs in pants ALL the time. When some of you ladies say you can't respect God on Sunday unless you wear a skirt, how do you think this plays out in her mind? Ladies, you don't need a skirt to be feminine! Wear one if you want, but don't preach that wearing pants is not giving God respect. Please. And don't let your focus on what you're wearing blind you to what other women, who love their husbands and support the precepts of the church, might feel. I don't know if the LDS church teaches about Pharisees, but all this focus on the outside appearance seems a little Pharisical to me. Thanks for hearing me out. It's a pleasure to debate with such passionate and caring women.
Courtney, I love you. I do. I'm a convert, joined the church when I was 19. I'd consider myself the opposite of "molly mormon" and have my own personal issues with certain cultural church practices but this all seemed like too much. Especially in light of the recent tragedy... it seemed like a tremendous amount of wasted energy that could be so much better spent. That's just my view point and opinion and I understand everyone sees this from a different place and that's ok.
On a lighter note, I'm formally requesting a vlog done by you and Chup that is not sponsored... those ones aren't near as funny. Maybe another Christmas music video??? Please?! :)
I have had this debate with you in my mind for the past week, so I decided to comment instead. I read multiple posts from the two blogs you linked to that started this whole demonstration: fmh and mormon child bride (and quite a bit from ask mormon girl), and I have to say I am less than impressed. I felt those blogs were not really places for those seeking reaffirmation of faith, but more for people looking for a reason to stop obeying some commandment or looking for justification to leave the church/gospel. Which I guess could correspond to your not finding any "snakes" in the grass post. But they also seemed designed to make those that disagreed with the conclusions as being less than smart or one of the Stepford wives type of women, as though there are only two ways to be (feminist or Stepford).
I truly enjoy reading about your family and your life (those parasocial relationship dynamics:), but I wonder if you have thought where this is going? What the end goal of this feminist movement is? I would have intense difficulty ever aligning myself with "feminism", even if I saw validity in parts simply because I have some strong feelings about abortion.
I enjoyed your post. I'm glad that you had such a positive, loving and affirming experience. Also, the young men in your ward wearing lava lavas to support a friend was truly beautiful! If the end result of this whole "pants" thing is that people are more loving and understanding of one another, as well as more respectful of each other's vulnerabilities and feelings - then it's time well spent. Everybody's feelings and experiences are valid. We may not all feel the same way about things but we should care how each other feels and show respect, empathy and love.
Living outside of Utah, it sometimes amazes me the things that become such a big deal to those who live in Utah. I am a long-time reader of your blog, but I have to admit, it was difficult for me to read this post. I could not sleep Saturday night. My heart and my emotions were with all the grieving mothers and fathers whose arms were aching to hold their child one last time. Everywhere I turned brought me to tears. I saw our Christmas tree and thought about the special gifts I had chosen for each of my children and wondered how I would feel if one of them were taken from me. Meanwhile, women in Utah were fretting about whether or not to wear pants to church??? (Believe me, I know in my heart of hearts, they weren't, but that's just what this post makes it sound like.)
I didn't put another ounce of thought into the whole "wear pants to church day" until I saw your blog post today, and somehow, it just seemed a little trivial in light of everything else that has happened. I feel like I know you well enough through reading your blog to know that you were affected, how could you not have been? I also appreciate reading your thoughts and learning of your goodness.
I just think the timing of this post could have waited a little longer.
The saddest thing about this all is the negative publicity it has given the Church. I have read comments on several blogs of how backwards Mormons are for not "allowing" pants in the first place- and how they would never be a part of a church that demeans it's members enough to make them protest. Yes-- we as Mormons know it was not about the pants-- but they don't. People who may have had interest in the gospel are now turned off by the pettiness on BOTH sides of the pants issue. The gospel is not about ANY of that. It broke my heart to read horrible comments and sisters fighting over who is right and who is wrong. Our church has always treated women with respect and love. I am sad that this has made people think otherwise.
A truly horrific, evil thing happened on Friday, but yet you still fretted about what to wear to church on Sunday? To think that people across this nation were mourning these dear children taken from their parents a week before Christmas, and yet some women were able to put that aside and focus on what really matters. Church attire! As you described your emotions, I know you felt the impact of it the way all parents did, so I guess I am a bit baffled as to why you would still focus on "making your statement", a short 48 hours after the tragedy. Your blog has become my personal train wreck. It's so hard to look at, but there is so much to see how can I look away? It truly saddens me to think that their are women who feel like they are not equal in the eyes of the Lord. I say that because from what I have read, it doesn't sound like those leading this charge are interested in only changing the cultural aspects of the church.
reading this entry and the comments on this blog it's like I time traveled back over 100+ years (most the comments, CJane is pretty great overall). what decade are you women living in that ANYONE CARES if you wear pants or not? do you honestly have nothing better to do or worry about? wear pants! wear them ALL THE TIME! WEAR CULOTTES IF YOU WANT, IT IS COOL (no it's actually something that hasn't been cool since the 80s but I'm not even sure if you guys are there yet). and guess what ladies - NEWS FLASH - coming up soon to a world YOU LIVE IN a woman will probably be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and you are lucky that you have the right to vote and have a job if you want one and live in this country without being the property of a man so PLEASE GET OVER THE PANTS THING ALREADY AND GET WITH THE YEAR ALMOST 2013.
Likewise.
Symbolism. SYMBOLISM. Look it up.
Thank you for sharing this! I'm working on overcoming my fears and vulnerability to share so openly like you how I view my LDS faith. I am sharing the gospel with three friends recently with the most thoughtful honesty that I can't seem to put on my blog yet. I teach the Valiant 10/11 yr old girls in Primary. They have great questions and I strive to have honest thoughtful answers. I've had this class for 4 years now in this servicemen's ward in Germany! That's got to be some sort of record ;) This post made me cry, it made me cheer and I'm just so glad you're here!!! Just started reading Bushman's "Rough Stone Rolling" and the Givens' "The God Who Weeps" recently. HELLO! Great stuff!!!
I'm glad I had context for this pants discussion by listening to the Mormon Stories podcasts about Women and the LDS Church - a brief summary of the history of feminism in the US and in the church. We don't have all the answers, but hopefully we have the right spirit of love and compassion to understand all sides.
Amen.
I want to clarify. I do not mean to say that your thoughts or experiences(or writing) are a train wreck. More that I find myself disagreeing with what you write more than agreeing. Then I read the comments and get all riled up about my opinion. I tell myself, I just need to stop coming here and reading, but then(like one who feels like they should look away from a train wreck, keeps looking to see anyway), I come back and read another post that is heartfelt and well written, but yet rather than resonating in my heart, does the opposite. I am glad we are free to have differnet experiences and opinions and it certainly is good to have an exchange of ideas, but I do need to stop reading now because I feel like many of your post recently have created contention(if only in my heart)and so I need to focus on those things that will bring peace and harmony to my heart.
I get that it's not about the pants, it's about equality, whatever that means. I mean really, your fight is with equality?! This life is not about making sure everyone gets the same thing (Satan's plan), it's about how YOU treat others and what YOU personally are doing to make the world a better place. Not policing how, when and what everyone else does. I like how non Mormons keep making you the poster child for finally finding a normal Mormon. Just for the record, there's no such thing as a normal person, Mormon or not. We all have our own struggles and likes and dislikes. If you view Mormons as Stepford wifish, go for it! Does it make it true, maybe some are, but I've seen it PLENTY in other religions too. I've seen fanatic Atheists as well. It's a personality thing, not a religious thing.
CJane is nothing new, she just has a blog. No, I shouldn't say that, she's amazing. What I mean is, I don't think it's unusual that she says what she thinks, it isn't unusual that she has her own opinion. What I mean is, my life is full of "CJane's". It is not unusual for Mormons to have varying opinions...if you don't believe me, find one and see for yourself. You might get lucky and find an anti-women, anti-homosexual, poligamous (I can't spell) pedophile (sheesh Laurie, that was quite a list. I've been Mormon my whole life and never met one of those!)
The divisiveness that I feel from the feminist camp is so off-putting. I mean really,"purple is the color of the feminist movement". It's so High Schoolish. At the end of the day, we all punched the first hole in a two way ticket...this life will end one way or another. It's too short to feel angst, anger, and ME,ME,ME!It's all about MEEE! I didn't get to pee on a tree (I laughed at that for days!). I sure think you're great Courtney and hope you find the peace you're looking for. We do not see eye to eye on this, but you are so gifted.
Why do the men stand up in the temple?
Pants and a tie could never top the reason why..
I am Mormon and although I don't identify with today's feminism, I am okay that other people do. I, too feel that the matter of dress-wearing on Sundays is a cultural and generational approach to dressing our best for the Lord. I wear a dress every Sunday and would continue to do it if the church came out with a policy that women are to wear dresses. How would the women who participated this last Sunday feel if 'dresses only' for women were to became a policy, or a direction from the Lord? How would the women who are against pants feel if the church came out with a policy that pants and dresses are both acceptable? I, or course, do NOT think there will ever be an official policy this specific on what is worn to church...because as others have said, it is where our hearts are each Sunday. But I'm just curious if our hearts would be in the right place if something this difficult or seemingly difficult were asked of us. Would we hold onto our pants or our dresses like the wealthy man held onto his riches? Would it be difficult to be completely submissive of the Lord if we disagreed with what was asked of us? I do think that the statement "It's not about the pants" is also true for the dress wearers..."It's not about the dress". Both are looking at their own hearts and trying to figure out why this symbolism of dressing a certain way each week has meaning to them.
It is so interesting to me to see all the women who are commenting that they feel empowered, accepted, never inadequate growing up in the church.
How is that possible when you don't have the same standing in the church as men? The church may talk about how wonderful women and mothers are. How the deserve so much respect, etc.
But men are still the ones to run the show. How is that equality?
One of my favorite bloggers wrote an interesting post about this topic. I think she handled expressing her opinion in a mature manner.
http://www.thislittlemiggy.com/2012/12/why-i-didnt-wear-pants-to-church.html
I'm not sure why it has me as unknown since I'm signed in with my account. ~Lisa
Oh, Heather, I hope you find the peace YOU are looking for as well. That was one heck of a conflicted comment there. Am I mistaken or do I feel a lot of repressed anger and dare I say jealousy coming through? If you can reduce CJane's well constructed post to "I didn't get to pee on a tree," well, there's really no point to continuing the conversation.
Here's one for you CJane..."fair is for PIGS!" A privelaged, white, stay-at-home, married, mother of 3 with one on the way, female crying and complaining about life. Give me a break! Are you trying to drum up some drama in your life? Is it that boring? Get in line and shut up about your woes! You're beyond ridiculous! And besides, it'll be just a matter of time before you've changed your position on this topic to go with the latest trend, right?
Oh, Greg. Thanks for keeping the discussion on the high road. Merry Christmas!
I have not read this blog for over a year, and on a whim, decided to take a peek. Yes, without going into detail, the reason I dropped this blog from my daily reading has been totally reinforced. Had the horrific events of Friday not taken place, I would still have rolled my eyes in disgust. I am a born and raised Utahan, but have lived for nearly a decade in Connecticut. Utah Girls, get over yourselves, get a hobby, find something worthwhile in your lives besides focusing on such a trivial matter. You are all too spoiled. Women outside of Utah wear pants to church all of the time and no one cares! It's not a gender statement; they just choose to wear pants. It surely isn't blog post worthy. Because of your abundant blessings in living in a large Utah ward, you don't know what it is like to struggle just to keep a branch or ward afloat. Whether or not women should make a statement by wearing pants to church as a clique, falls way down the list in relevance when your fellow ward members don't all reside on the same city block. Grow Up, Ladies. Go do 26 random acts of kindness in memory of those who died. It would be a much more productive endeavor. I can't believe I just wasted my time reading this post--let alone respond to it. Self indulgent post, indeed.
I'm totally foreign to the predicaments one might fall for as a Mormon or otherwise faith-driven creature, but I like the thought of you unveiling your true self as you add to your family.
(This is the jist I get from scanning your blog once or twice a year.)
I guess the pants thing fits that trend beautifully.
Keep going!
Nicki
Hey Laurie, I'm sorry I sounded "jealous"(what?! That doesn't even make any sense. Oh, wait, unless you're in High School, which goes back to what I was saying about Feminists)and I don't feel any anger...at all. So yes, you read that wrong. As far as "peeing on a tree" I wasn't trying to reduce anything...it was just a funny thing to get upset at...jeesh, calm down. I truly am sorry that seeing your name in my comment set you off. It was not meant as a call out, just a comment. I think CJane is great, or else why would I be reading her blog. By the way, it's O.K to have a different opinion than someone else. It doesn't make them or you angry or jealous, it is just a different opinion.
this is probably not a very popular stance to take, but here's the thing: a horrible, tragic, heart-wrenching event does not negate our own smaller challenges in our lives. i don't think cjane or anyone else intends to say that wearing pants is "as important" as the tragedy in connecticut. but neither does the fact that something horrible happened mean we have to set aside our smaller concerns. there's something horrible happening pretty much at any time somewhere in the world. should tragedy put things in perspective for us? absolutely. should this particular event make us hug our children tighter and be thankful for our many blessings? without doubt. but we do not have to stop living, stop striving to correct the smaller wrongs we see, or stop speaking our minds because the topic may be "less important" than a big event like this one.
I'm unclear on who you are trying to make this statement to? Heavenly Father? Your Bishop? Your Husband? Our Prophet and his apostles? You've stated that all those people love you and you don't feel oppressed by them. So I just don't get it. Seems to me like a distraction in a sacred place where we should be thinking about our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. I hope your ties and pants and whatever else you decide to wear to church help you find whatever peace you seem to be lacking. My clothing has never really done that for me.
As long as you are wearing your best, it doesn't matter what you wear. Wearing pants shouldn't be a way to make a statement. No one should really care that much. Pants won't fill that sense of equality you some how think you are missing. Equal doesn't mean having the same of everything in this regard, and wearing pants to church is seriously the lamest thing I have heard to try and make a statement. If this wasn't brought up in Utah, it really wouldn't be a big deal. And I really don't even get what point everyone is trying to make by wearing pants. It's pants.
Wow. My goodness. I've never commented before, and I have no clue why I'm commenting now. But, it seems to me, these pants wearing women are saying something important about womanhood. That, just because C. Jane doesn't feel oppressed in her daily life, doesn't mean women don't need to stand in solidarity, saying vocally and visually, that they deserve the honor and privilege of being whomever they want. (Even if you're one of these people saying you are happy with exactly what you have--that too is no small thing.) I understand that the Mormon faith has an interesting, mystical perception of womanhood. And, at its best, that's not something anyone is protesting. However, aren't the pantsed women saying that part of that mystery and interest comes with freedom and choice? And that a series of vignettes create a life, rather than one necessary, linear, prescribed way of being? And that wearing pants shows a woman has a right to choose how she is perceived? Not that she ought to be perceived as a man, but that her determination of her own self perception is equal to that of any person? That power to self define doesn't challenge any other person's right to self define, does it?
And, yet, there are places in the world where this isn't a debate on a blog, but government juridistion. Our own country has made many laws forces people into sub-optimal lives. (Think Jim Crow.) So, let's see our right to self-define as what it is: a privilege and great responsibility. And, as little as I care about pants, as a blue haired humanist English professor,
I care very much (as a mother of young girls) about a person investing this much care and concern into her right to self determinacy.
Just because this woman feels loved doesn't mean she oughtn't stand up in solidarity and say women have a right to love themselves as agential beings and authors of their own fates, lives, and, yes, trappings.
Well, now I know where the pants weirdness is coming from because I didn't see it in my area (Henderson, NV). I'm going on 49, joined the church 12 years ago, and have never felt oppressed and am fairly sick of peoples' need to get so weird about things. Having women BARGE/PUSH/STAMPEDE forward with this pants weirdness in the wake of the senseless murder of those sweet young lives in Newtown and the (female) educators also killed just makes this all such a selfish grab that I think the bunch of women doing this should be ashamed of themselves. Getting high off self-adulation shouldn't be construed to be an endorsement. I've toyed with moving to Utah County where my company's headquarters is. After hearing so many rumors about what living there would be like, I think I'll stay right here in Henderson, NV, a place I never really wanted to live, but with circumstances ended up here 13 years ago and it's where I learned about the gospel. The grass is always greener. Actually, where the grass is greener, people make up stupid weird stuff to get worked up over. No thanks!
I feel like Utah Mormons are a culture unto themselves and maybe that's why this is such a big deal? I live in the Seattle area and this isn't an issue. People wear what they want. I've always wondered if I'd feel more stifled in Utah? Us Mormons are different enough out here in Seattle where it sometimes feels like most of the population is agnostic.
Nice tie. Nice lava lavas. I wore my pants. All is well.
No one wore pants in my provo ward. It made me so proud of the women in my ward who stood behind the leaders of their church, showing faith that they are being led by a loving Father in Heaven who loves women as much as men. I wore my highest heels, my girliest dress. Sacrament meeting is NOT the place to protest or take a stance.
Sometimes I want nothing more than yo sit at a table with you and discuss some of these fundamental questions. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this: http://mormonscholarstestify.org/1718/valerie-hudson-cassler because I have mixed feelings about it.
All I can say about this post is…only in Utah.
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