Tuesday, April 24, 2012

My Life Story: Perplexity


"There is nothing you could tell me that would shock me," my dad would always tell us as we sat as church youth groups under stars at Lake Powell or in A-frame cabins at Young Women Camp. My dad was the bishop of our ward for five years of my middle teenage years. He would encourage us to come into his office and talk to him about our thoughts, worries or sins. His greatest outreach as a bishop was to be for the youth, the impressionable minds navigating values and morals in a world that didn't support such things.

Every time he said this to us, under stars or peaked roofs, I'd feel pride in my father. There was no shame in the way he spoke to us youth, encouraging us to be comfortable as complicated humans with complicated hearts. Even when he wasn't a bishop, I was the closest to my parents when they presented me with an open-minded view of the world.

Then I'd think of all the things I could tell my father that wouldn't shock him,

"Dad, I drank a beer."

"Dad, I shoplifted some clothes."

"Dad, I'm pregnant."

But even though I imagined such sins, I knew I was a good girl who followed the promises I made at baptism and--seemingly more important--kept all the rules of my culture. I went to every church youth activity, sometimes as a youth leader and sometimes as an obedient follower. I showed up and enjoyed myself, mostly because I liked flirting with the young men and impressing the adult leaders with my self-important charm.

Then one year my dad asked a recently-divorced, twenty-one-year old neighbor to be one of my young women youth leaders. She was unlike all the other adult leaders, in many different ways. She moved to Utah from Hawaii where she had lived for a few years as a newlywed. She liked sports and crafts and had lots of friends who would camp out at her house, always coming and going, eating and celebrating. And her smile was this huge entity that filled up her face when she was happy or proud of us.

We all loved her. We took to her like thirsty girls, showing up at her house to hang out, wanting to spend the afternoon, like her older friends, lounging about laughing and talking. Most of the leaders we had experienced in our lifetimes were more conservative, young married women who shared their time at BYU and quiet nights with their husbands. We liked those leaders too, but they didn't enchant us as much as this leader. She was a promise that life--no matter how old we grew--could be evolving chapters of excitement.

After a summer spent with our leader, camping on church trips, learning to tie knots and build fires, I cultivated an especially close bond with her. I desired more and more of her attention, and she was really generous with her time. When high school started I'd wake up early to meet her down the road where she lived, we'd walk the neighborhood and after school we'd meet back up at the park to play tennis. Sometimes she'd let me drive her car, a green Subaru with a sticky manual transmission, good practice for my upcoming driver's license examination.

On some days I'd show up at school and find notes from her in my locker, enthusiastic words always punctuated by slightly smeared smiley faces. Some nights we'd go to dinner, just the two of us, laughing and building our stash of inside jokes. This attention made me feel so incredibly special. I thought about all the girls in the ward who wanted this friendship, I was so special, look at me, driving her car, being fed, notes in my locker.

High school had been a disappointing transition for me. My friendship group split in two, several of the girls started dating the older boys and went to parties (worthy of a bishop's visit!) I made a terrible mistake by admitting my crush on a jerk who returned the favor by calling me "Shamu" daily as I walked red-faced down main hall. I never understood how my petite frame--curvy as it was--could be compared to a huge whale, but I got the message. Loud and terribly clear.

My leader never cared about the shape of my body, she always complimented me on being smart and clever. She was the sunshine in the dreary days of adolescence--her kindness filled the craving I had to feel important. Our age difference (which was only five years, but seemed so much bigger in our respective places) never mattered to her. Plus, she wasn't like my other friends who sometimes seemed more like competition than comrades.

Then one day it occurred to me that I was in love with our leader. I thought about her all the time, at night I imagined sneaking out of my house, running down the yellow-lit street to her blue house, into her room to sleep next to her. And I knew if I did this, if I ended up knocking at the window in the dark of the night, my voice identifying my shadow, she'd let me in. She wouldn't turn me away, I knew it.

Soon after this realization, while on a walk with her through the white-washed family housing on BYU campus, I was so overcome with love for her, I leaned over and kissed her on the cheek. She turned to me and laughed, like it pleased her, but surprised her too. Immediately I felt shame--like the crossing of a line, part of me wanted to run away with her and part of me wanted to go back home and be a little girl again, the girl on the morning of my baptism who promised to never do anything bad.

"Dad, I am in love with a woman."

How would that not shock him?

Though they also loved my leader, my parents understandably wanted me to engage with friends my age, share the same experiences, go to dances and have a social life. With their encouragement--sometimes heated in its portrayal--I picked up my former social habits. The boys my age were becoming more mature, more respectful almost. I made some new friends, loyal girls with wider views and better ideas. I stopped wanting to sneak out at nights, I forgot about wanting to run away.

But I always thought about her, I always wished I were older and things were different. My learning to move on from the relationship with my leader broke my heart and I was sad for a long time about it.

By my junior year in high school my leader had moved from our neighborhood, I went onto AP classes, social clubs and my most coveted editorial position with the school newspaper. By winter I was mesmerized at the charismatic boy who'd soon become my high school sweetheart. I suppose love leads you to a safe spot and leaves you when you are unsafe. When my relationship with my leader was no longer safer than my relationship with the boy, my heart went with the boy.

I remember being surprised by the discovery that attraction isn't necessarily a linear experience, but instead a fluid one, that comes and goes, that takes forms and shapes you can't always control. I never examined my sexuality--which way it leaned--because it just came to me and I let it in, and when it grew heavy, I let it out, like it was the most natural thing in the world.

And I am grateful I had parents who didn't operate on fear as standard procedure.

It wasn't until five years later, when I answered the ringing doorbell at my parents house, a college sophomore home for an afternoon of refueling, I saw my leader again. She appeared on the doorstep, a bandanna on her head, sandals on her feet, short hair, almost unrecognizable from the youth leader I knew years before. There was just a subtle hint of the sunshine she was to me, barely there when I searched her face.

"My girlfriend had to work at the hospital in Provo today. She said she'd be here for a few hours, so I thought I'd come down and say hello."

We went for a drive, she told me had met her partner ("She looks just like Hugh Grant") after she moved from our neighborhood. After years of deep struggle both emotionally and spiritually, she was out. We talked about our friendship, the feelings she battled too at that time. She explained her past, abuse and pain, hurtful, terrible experiences I didn't know before, and even if she'd told me, I wouldn't have understood. I thought about my dad on that car ride, how you can live in a world that no longer shocked you, how compassion and retrospection replaces perplexity.

"I had women relationships long before I met you," she told me. "I tried to be straight, I even married a man to prove it, but I couldn't do it. And now I won't go to heaven for this lifestyle, but at least I am honest with myself."

I will never forget her saying that, how she won't go to heaven for being honest.

I'll never believe it.


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Chelsi said...

This is beautiful. I love it. Thank you so much for posting it. You are amazing and I adore you.

Jennifer Woodbury said...

I have never commented before, but I had to take the time to say thank you for this beautiful post.

I am LoW said...

@min- I replied to someone else and the same reply would fit what you said.... she has to found someone that she had feelings for, but because she is obeying and seeking eternal marriage, she had to resist and carry on.

Kate said...

Wow! You are so brave. I love this. I am thankful that my place is not to judge but to love. Isn't that what the gospel is all about?

Shanan said...

I must admit - these comments have been very entertaining to read through. It's obvious that many people are very passionate about this topic.

In the end, we all need to remember that we are not the ultimate judge. We have been asked by our all-knowing Father in Heaven to love, be understanding, be accepting of others, and to not judge. No matter what lifestyle others choose to live or what sins they commit.

Heavenly Father is the ultimate judge. So whether or not someone is going to make it into heaven - or into what degree of heaven - is absolutely not my position to decide.

Ultimately, it is our own salvation that we should be concerned about.

That should keep us plenty busy on its own :-)

Crystal said...

Courtney, thank you for this awesome post. I have found it interesting and definitely something to ponder. I appreciate how honest you are being about your life and have found your posts thoughtful and insightful.
Many comments have raised interesting questions about our society, gender, adult/child relationships, sexuality and I think a discussion like this in our own culture is great and very important.

I have one thing to add in response to some of those comments.
I have hard time with Mormon culture claiming that we are not asking more of our homosexual members than of our heterosexual yet unmarried members. The reason is this..our homosexual members will never get a chance to have a family or a romantic/loving relationship in their life...that is a long and lonely life and it is A LOT to ask. Our heterosexual members are asked to remain celibate until they are married, however, they always have hope to be married in the temple. In addition, our homosexual members have to endure quite a bit of pressure within our own culture. There is a lot of pain involved in being a gay member of our church. I think the brethren are actually waaaay ahead of the members on this. I can't imagine them not knowing what a difficult and lonely road it is to be gay in the church. As church members we need to be sensitive to those that have different needs than our own. I think it's more important to listen with an understanding heart and not try to simplify a complex issue. It's okay not to have all the answers and walk in faith. In general I think our church culture is not as kind or sensitive to the emotional needs of our homosexual brothers and sisters as we ought to be.

Ben and Robyn said...

@ I am LoW - I understand what you are saying, but there is still a significant difference. Women who choose to marry a nonmember, or women who already are married at the time that they enter the church, can still be baptized and endowed while enjoying the lifelong companionship of their mate. Homosexuals have to choose between their mate and baptism and temple attendance. I know many faithful LDS women raising wonderful children in the church who are married to non-members.

Charity Suzuki said...

"McEngland like the McCountry" Totally agree with you!

Azucar..so funny!

I'm not LDS but am curious about the levels of heaven. What are they and how do you get into each of them? Which one is Jesus in? What if part of your family gets into one level and you into a different level, does that mean you won't be with your family? What about the streets of gold and mansions? So many questions.

Wendi Bohn said...

This made me uncomfortable on so many different levels. I guess that's what a good writer does though.

LindseYaYa said...

Best piece yet... And gracious, I love your parents. So glad you we're brave enough to hammer out this beauty. Xo

argylesocks said...

Courtney,
You are a brave woman for leaving your comment section open during these posts.

Lorian said...

Courtney, thank you for this. It is beautiful and moving. You drew me along through your story with a dreamlike feeling of total absorption. I love your writing.

I also love your perspective on attraction and love. I'm saddened by the people who describe your YW leader as a pedophile "grooming" a victim. It seems clear to me that she offered friendship and never had an intent to take any inappropriate action. It's sad how quick people are to judge gay and lesbian people as "pedophiles."

I'm glad you see your leader's honesty and self-acceptance as the positive qualities and accomplishments they are. Bless you for this beautiful piece. I've never read your work before, but I'm adding you to my list. Thank you again.

Lorian said...

Sorry - adding another post in order to subscribe to your feed.

Ruthanne said...

Well said Heather! I don't think Cjane is trying to say weather or not gays go to heaven, she is simply telling the story. The fact is the youth leader was grooming and she wasn't so innocent. And yes she will go to heaven in whatever kingdom she is most comfortable in.

Lorian said...

Ruthanne, the term "grooming" implies that someone is a pedophile and plans to have sex with the child they are befriending. Considering that the youth leader never suggested or did anything sexual whatsoever, as far as we have been informed, either when Courtney was underage or even when she later met her as an adult, such an accusation is outright libelous.

Just because someone is gay, that does not give you permission to libel them. It is just as possible for a gay person to befriend a young person in need of friendship, and to keep that relationship appropriate, as it is for a straight person. Had the leader turned out, in the later encounter, to have married a man, leaving Courtney's crush all to herself with the object of the crush being obviously heterosexual, I suspect accusations of "grooming" would have been far from anyone's mind, even though the earlier descriptions of the friendship would have remained the same, point-for-point.

mom keck said...

Normal experiences of teen-agers(see comment on school girl crushes) have somehow become the background for a discussion of gender attraction and eternal rewards. Although I do not wish to discounnt CJane's experience or the importance of this YW leader in her life and I do enjoy her writing , the love she felt for this sister is a part of the adolescent experience. please don't react to your children's youthful crushes with such drama
but with watchfulness and understanding. I pray that CJane understands that she was groomed and courted by both the
Drama couch and her YW leader. It is a blessing that her YW leader was an honorable sister. This situation could have turned very serious and hurtful.

Fresh Hell, Texas said...

Heather, your brother's alcoholism hurt him and others. Who is gay marriage hurting? When two, consenting adults come together in love, trust and respect a family is made, not destroyed. Your analogies just do not work.

FindingMyWay said...

I am LoW -

Respectfully, what applies to your sister is NOT the same as what applies to gay and lesbian individuals. She is afforded the luxury of dating if she'd like, snuggling, hugging, kissing, being intimate on many more levels (that don't violate the law of chastity), holding a man's hand, putting her arm around him in church, fantasizing about being with him, etc. The list goes on and on. Any one of these things would be frowned upon for a gay person. Some leaders may even go as far as to discipline gay people who do those things, even though it is NOT against the law of chastity... but more because it's uncomfortable.

Morgan Lee -

Again respectfully, you do not know how I interpreted Courtney's meaning. You also don't know of all of my beliefs just because of my two comments. The fact is that I assume Courtney is against "acting on" homosexuality. What I am grateful for is her attitude and acceptance of another person who isn't generally accepted. Many times gay people are told they will go straight to hell - some for acting on it, others for simply being homosexual. The fact that a strong and beautiful voice like Courtney is willing to share her love when it isn't popular, and when people could possibly misunderstand, is very important. No one gets to say who will and will not be in the Celestial Kingdom, with the exception of God Himself. But knowing that there are others willing to buoy us up and to give us hope is HUGE.

Ben & Robyn -

Thank you for mentioning the difference between what homosexual people are asked in this life as opposed to what heterosexual people are asked. There is a huge difference!

Trish & Greg -

"the heterosexual single adult has the SAME problem as the homosexual adult. In the case of the 3 women I know (daughter, sister, and friend) they each could have an intimate physical relationship if they chose to violate the Law of Chastity." Yes, the CAN have an intimate physical relationship and that is the whole point. They can have that WITHOUT violating the law of chastity. Refer to my above comment to I am LoW. There is a drastic difference and it doesn't help to keep saying it's the same. That is the problem the majority of members have... they can't accept that it's much, much different.

Crystal -

THANK YOU!!!

FindingMyWay said...

Continued...

I would like to clarify my feelings about heaven and hell. I, personally, am not referring to outer darkness. When I refer to the hell that gay people may go to, I'm referring to the fact that we will be ALONE, without the sealing power, and removed from our family and friends. Sure, that may mean the Terrestial or Telestial Kingdom, which of course are still lovely and beautiful, but being kept from my children, my parents, my brothers and sisters, is the very definition of HELL. And to be promised a husband in the hereafter if I am faithful in this life... again, that would be HELL. I don't want a man in this life, why would I want one in heaven?

Basically it comes down to the fact that gay people are expected to do more, MUCH more than any heterosexual, yet we are given the same amount of tools to do it with. If it's true that asking a gay person to never get married is the same as a heterosexual girl who chooses to not marry out of the LDS faith, then you'd also agree that it would be acceptable for gay people to date the same gender, hold hands with them during sacrament meeting, kiss them in Gospel Doctrine and rub each others backs, proclaim their undying love and commitment to them during testimony meeting, blah blah blah. But I have a feeling some of you (the ones saying it's just the same) would feel that was a violation of the law of chastity. No, it isn't. Think of all the things straight people can do that doesn't phase their leaders. Lots of making out would be totally acceptable for heterosexual, if certain lines are crossed, but that same thing is not afforded to gay people. You say it's because of the law of chastity, but it isn't at all. I would agree that touching inappropriately is violating the rules of the church... I'm on board with that just as you all are. I agree that gay people choosing to act on their homosexuality is against the rules of the LDS church. I can respect the fact that those are the rules and if I act on my natural feelings then I'm breaking their rules. I get that. I'm saying it's not FAIR! It's not the same. Being denied any chance of a meaningful relationship, along with appropriate touching, intimacy, etc. will NEVER be the same. Period. What you don't realize is that simple recognition of that goes a very long way with gay people. Stop saying it's the same when it isn't. Realize that we're required to do more. Find it in your hearts to love us... not "even though" but just because.

Monica said...

I very rarely comment on anything, anywhere. But I hereby nominate Lyndsey Harris for Best Comment EVER. Thanks Lindsey. Couldn't have said it better.

Lorian said...

mom keck, you can't have it both ways. Either the youth leader was "grooming" Courtney or she behaved honorably. The fact that you say, "It is a blessing that her YW leader was an honorable sister," means that she was *not* "grooming" her. I don't know if you understand what an offensive suggestion it is to say that a gay person is "grooming" a young person if he or she spends time befriending a young person.

Having worked in the field of child care when I was in my twenties, specifically as a counselor in a group home for abused teens with severe behavior issues, I befriended a number of teens in my capacity as their counselor. Are you saying that I "groomed" them?

Ruthanne said...

Lorian, I'm well aware of the meaning of the term grooming. That's why I used it in this context. That's exactly what was going on.

Caroline said...

Finding My Way - I cannot believe that your views represent the opinion of the majority of the members of our church struggling with this particular trial and burden. By far, the majority of the members I have met that are attracted to the same gender believe that if they are faithful in this life to the covenants they have made with God that the atonement will help them in the life to come and they will be blessed with a wife or husband (whatever is their respective OPPOSITE gender) and will receive all of the blessings that any other faithful member of the church obtains. Remaining faithful, by their definition, is to keep the law of chastity in all respects. One amazing brother says he believes he volunteered for this particular trial and he places his hope in God's promise that all will be made right and fair.

Also, while I've never met him I believe that (Gay) Mormon Guy's blog is an amazing and enlightening read regarding this subject.(http://gaymormonguy.blogspot.com/) He includes many references to talks from the leaders of the church as well as references to the Church Handbook of Instruction (which is available to ANYONE, member or not, on the Church's main website, lds.org.). Please check out his blog. He gave me a wonderful, clarifying perspective when I really needed it.

Lorian said...

Ruthanne, if this was a case of "grooming," then why did the YW sister never even make a sexual suggestion or touch Courtney inappropriately (as far as we know from this post)?

Do you believe that all gay people who befriend someone younger than themselves are "grooming" the young person? And for what, exactly?

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HAMISH AND ELLEN said...

The honesty and bravery in this post is so admirable! I too love Courtney for being so honest with her experience. I also love the discussion going on in the comment section. It's such an important issue and one that I have watched divide families, including my very own once my favorite uncle came out to us.

It never fails to amaze me when I read/hear/watch people I know (or imagine with many of the commentors here) to be kind people, say such wretched things when it comes to this topic. How one can believe that homosexuality can be likened to a trial or challenge like "drug addiction, sex addiction, food addiction" is downright baffling to me. The argument that God would never create humans that are genetically wired to be attracted to their same sex does not jive with a lot of people - gay and straight - for many reasons. This assertion does not carry much weight when A) either you are gay yourself and know that you have no doubt who you've always been attracted to B) You know, love and believe the gay people in your life when they tell you their experience. I realize it can be hard (nearly impossible) to reconcile a faith that does make room for our gay loved ones to lead a life that includes spouses and children - yet still fully accept these gay individuals happily and openly for who they are.

I get that this can be a hard one to wrap your head around when you've been raised to believe the LDS/Christian interpretations. But it's just so difficult to hear some of the comparisons.

How is denying yourself junk food or counting calories for a lifetime the same as denying yourself love and companionship for a lifetime? How does struggling with the disappointment and pain of infertility be equivalent to the requirement to be alone forever with zero hope for children of your own or the option to perhaps adopt? Just exactly how can we compare a gay person's requirement to stay a virgin and without companionship for their entire earthly existence to be the same as a straight person who continues to search - even if it takes their whole life - for someone to fall in love with and marry? I'm so glad I can never be accused of supporting a belief system that denies others the freedom to fall in love and marry the love of their life. So many can't accept a God with such expectations.

We all have our struggles and hard times whether you're gay or straight. Alcoholism, like so many other struggles, does not discriminate between races, genders, or sexual orientation. What do you say to the gay person who has a genetic predisposition to drink/eat/gamble too much - sorry you've been handed a double or triple whammy? Sorry you've got more crosses to bear than I do?

The discussion should definitely carry on here. Let's talk however long we need to for a conclusion that we are all people going through life, wanting the same things. Regardless of whether we're black, white, gay, straight, man or woman. We want to love and be loved. We are all in pursuit of true happiness and it's not okay to deny (or manipulate and guilt) anyone out of their shot at true happiness.

-Ellen

PS. I have gay friends and relatives (and their adorable children!!!) who are near and dear to me who are completely happy and wonderful examples of how one should navigate this life. I can't stand it when I hear my grandmother, or uncle, or aunt make judgements about how "_______ will never be happy living the life he has chosen. Sin will never bring happiness!" Seriously, go spend a weekend with _________ his partner and their wonderful daughters. They are a fantastic family, seem just as happy as the rest of us plugging along, and one that I am so grateful to have be a part of mine. Sure there are some unhappy gay people/families but of course this is the case. It's not about sexual orientation, it's about how we behave and react to the circumstances in our lives.

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Fresh Hell, Texas said...

Caroline wrote, "I cannot believe that your views represent the opinion of the majority of the members of our church struggling with this particular trial and burden."

What is your point in saying this? Are you trying to make someone who has shared their pain feel more alone? Because that's what it sounds like. You remind me of those who bullied my son in the name of God.

Perhaps you could try kindness and a more gentle spirit towards someone already suffering, rather than lashing out because your views have been challenged.

And, frankly, I'm far more likely to listen to someone who is gay than someone who claims to know a lot of gay people.

Sara Geidlinger Photography said...

cjane, why are you the best, ever!?

john's mom said...

what is beautiful about cjane's "life" posts is getting to know someone who i don't really know, but who i know i like a lot. i love hearing her experiences, relating to some, being boggled by others, and generally seeing "the making of" cjane.

the ideological/dogmatic conversation that comes out of it is a fascinating bonus, but mostly i just love reading the history of this cool woman we're all blessed to "know" - electronically at least.

Morgan Lee said...

@FindingMyWay -- Tell it to Jessica. Perhaps I should have phrased my comment as "IF FMW thinks COurtney is saying... blah blah blah."

In any case, my comment was in response to Jessica.

Jessalee said...

I really loved this post! I love the honesty, the perspective, the personal approach to your beliefs and not just what's already out there. Personal revelation, a personal relationship with the Savior, asking questions and personally seeking those answers out... it's what has truly deepened my own testimony really, and it makes me so grateful to be LDS because of the emphasis on these personal aspects of our own belief systems.

Though, yes, Azucar is correct. This is the worst lesbian erotica ever. Terrible really. With my compliments to Jenny Hatch for coining it as such. ;)

Liz Johnson said...

I'm not a regular reader but that might have to change. This is REALLY brave and really, really beautiful. Thank you for writing it.

Caroline said...

Fresh Hell, Texas - I'm not as eloquent a writer as CJane. I'm sorry, so often that means that my intent is misconstrued and I am definitely at fault for not explaining myself fully. I was merely wondering why Finding My Way's opinion so directly contradicts that of the church we both attend and the views of so many of my dear friends.

I'm sorry that your son was bullied. No one, whatever their beliefs or lifestyle, should be abused. I would, and have been, the first to defend my lesbian sister-in-law or aunt against many who would verbally, or otherwise, abuse her. It is cruel, and un-Christian and I do not condone such actions.

I'm sorry for misrepresenting myself and causing offense and confusion. It was not my intent.

Jessica said...

@Anyone who was discussing whether or not the trial of same-sex attraction is analagous to other trials -- Well, it's not. Every trial is unique and cannot be perfectly compared to any other. Additionally, everyone who is struggling with same-sex attraction (or anything else)is unique and so even within that trial, there is much that is disparate and individual. The comparisons arise because that's the best we can do to try to explain sometimes. The comparison isn't perfect, but we hope it may illuminate the struggle we ALL face -- we are imperfect and life is imperfect. This mortal existence is incredibly difficult for everyone. The idea that those who have same-sex attraction somehow have lives that are so much harder than everyone else's is just false, as far as I'm concerned. The scriptures say that all of the Saints must be tried as Abraham. We all go through a refiner's fire. Yours is meant for you, mine is meant for me. My struggles and trials are just as unique and burdensome for me as yours are for you. When I was going through my divorce, I was part of an online support group for spouses, family members, and friends of those who have same-sex attraction. One member of the group was divorced from a straight man (she had a good friend who was gay) who had cheated on her. One day, she went on and on about how much easier it must be for your husband to cheat on you with a man, how it must save you from humiliation and the insecurities that come from feeling like you did something wrong and are unworthy of love. At the time, I was insulted, but looking back I know this woman just had no idea what she was talking about, having never been through the experience. Could she have been in my shoes for one day, she probably would have gladly gone back to her own life and her own problems. And I am sure I would not have wanted to be in her shoes either. The point being, no one group of people has a monopoly on suffering or heartache or difficulty. I think giving into the lie that what you are going through is worse than what others are going through is dangerous.

I do agree that homosexuality still seems to be a taboo topic at the local level (but not at the highest levels of the church) and I think that is something that has to change. This is something we should be addressing from the pulpit and with our youth. We need to embrace each other with love and compassion and understanding. We need not be judgmental -- of anyone. We need young people (and middle-aged and the aged) who have same-sex attraction to understand they have infinite worth, that their Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ love them as much as they love anyone else, that there is hope through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Sometimes, trials are lifelong, but the promise of relief is there if we can but endure.

sarahg said...

C Jane,

As a mormon sister, a woman and a friend, I salute you. I hear you, hope others hear you and love you for your truth and honesty. Our heavenly father loves all of us equally and I am so so so happy that you can share this word with all.

xo

Ben and Robyn said...

@ Jessica – I agree that comparisons can be instructive. And I also agree that everyone will be tried during their lifetime for a wise purpose. And those unique trials will seem very painful for the person trying to endure it well. But can we agree that the challenge that a Mormon homosexual faces may be more challenging than, say, a mother trying to overcome the temptation to feed her kids fast food every meal, or more challenging than a fleeting temptation to watch an R rated movie? Certainly there are trials that are more challenging than others, no? Otherwise, there would be plenty of support groups for those plagued with the unbearable temptation to continually check out books that they know won’t be returned on time.

When we use a broad brush to say that acting on one’s homosexual tendencies is like any other temptation that needs to be bridled, we run the risk of underestimating the challenge they are dealing with. This hinders our ability to show sympathy, and “embrace each other with love and compassion and understanding”. I agree with you that every trial is unique. But when looking specifically at the Law of Chastity, for a person who wants to do what’s right, the challenge to live a life of complete self-denial, foregoing all the joys that would normally come with life-long companionship, in order to obtain baptism and temple endowments is a trial that is incomparable. Fidelity in marriage provides a solution for all other potential violations to the Law of Chastity (correct me if I’m wrong – I might be). For homosexuals, that solution does not exist.

Please understand, I think there is little merit in ranking all possible sins on a spectrum, but when we as a spiritual family set out to show love and compassion and understanding, it isn’t helpful to tell someone that their trial is no different than ‘x’, especially when, as you stated, it is actually very different.

Redrockcity said...

Beautiful writing. Really beautiful. Thank you.

Lorian said...

The Bakers - I didn't call the middle-school teacher "pervy," either. I think there are some distinct differences between the middle school teacher and the YW leader, however, among them age of the youth being worked with and professional requirements of a teacher vs. youth leader.

I don't consider the behavior of the teacher to have been "grooming," regardless. I think that coming to the party with candy for the girls was a serious miss in good judgment, but he didn't stay -- he dropped off the treats and left, probably because he realized that the girls were in their nightclothes and the parents were not at home -- a career killer if publicized. The remainder of his activities were no different than any other caring, involved teacher from my middle school and high school years, at least from what I read in Courtney's description. Again, if a pedophile is "grooming" a victim, the pedophile intends to have sexual contact with the victim. If that's not, as far as we can see, happening, then the behavior is not a pedophile "grooming" a victim, but simply an authority figure being nice to his students -- perhaps putting himself at risk in this day and age of suspicion, but not molesting children.

I think it's important that, on the one hand, we protect children from very *real* dangers that exist in the form of child predators, but, at the same time, we resist the urge to call every teacher or leader who befriends a young person, a "pedophile" on the prowl.

We have only very brief descriptions of these two people from Courtney's posts. If Courtney says that either one of them molested her or another young person, then we have basis for making accusations. But because she describes them being nice to her and befriending her (other than the lapse of good judgment in bringing treats to the party, which still doesn't equal "pedophile"), then making rash and damaging accusations is pretty irresponsible, IMO.

Jessica said...

@Ben and Robyn, I never compared same-sex attraction to being tempted to feed your kids fast food (gosh, I don't even think that's a sin, but maybe I'm wrong) or being tempted to watch an R-rated movie. If those were all the trials I was faced with in life, how easy life would be!

I totally understand that same-sex attraction presents a totally different set of challenges than other trials, but I don't think that means they are more difficult -- really truly just different. (And I do feel it necessary to point out here that there are members of the church who have same-sex attraction who have fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex and married them and had children. That may not be common, but it's not true that there is no hope of ever being able to have that in your life if you have same-sex attraction. And there are other afflictions a person could have that would prevent them from being able to have the full human experience in this lifetime, such as severe disabilities, so that is not unique to those who have SSA either.) I think believing that you somehow are being dealt a hand more difficult than anyone else's is a) wrong and b) unproductive. And ultimately, is attraction to the same sex really the problem? The attraction is not the sin. I think all of us ultimately suffer from the same base sins -- pride, valuing the love of men more than the love of God, ingratitude, etc. Those sins show up in our lives in different ways, but those are the things that truly separate us from God and make us unworthy of His presence.

The greatest obstacle to each person's happiness is themselves. What specific weaknesses we have that would separate us from God exists in different combinations within each one of us. But the solution for each of us is the same: the atonement of Jesus Christ.

:pG said...

This was beautiful and touching! I'm echoing all the same wonderful words that everyone else said! Just great.

karen gerstenberger said...

Amen.

Holly said...

Oh Courtney, I thank God for your voice.... and that I am Presbyterian! The comments from these women shaming you make sad that they can't think for themselves. God is so much bigger than the LDS church.

Sara Geidlinger Photography said...

cjane, why are you the best ever!?

Jeannie Shmina Greenwald said...

Been reading the comments for two days, fascinated. Here are a couple of random thoughts that have been percolating since yesterday:

I'm a practicing Catholic. I've known and respected other Christians who frequently talked about who was and wasn't going to get into Heaven. I won't argue that point, for it's ridiculous and they came to understand that yes, Catholics are deeply faith-filled Christians who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Our vernacular is different is all.

I think all this talk about who's going and who isn't is silly. How can any of us understand Heaven? Come on. Who REALLY knows what it will be like when we die? Whether we call him Lord, God, or Heavenly Father - whether we believe Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are the Trinity, or Heavenly Father is God and Jesus is your brother.... there are some common threads, and then there is 'how we live our lives'.

The teachings about homosexuality in the Catholic and Mormon doctrines are the same.

Yet most of us struggle with that. Some don't, and accept it as very black and white. I'm conflicted.(End of part one of two. Continued...)

Jeannie Shmina Greenwald said...

Continued - part two of two...

Courtney has not come into the comments to clarify what she *really meant" or believes, and I doubt she will. I liked what she wrote and I share both her striving for a relationship with Jesus in my Catholic faith as she does, with Heavenly Father, in hers - and her belief that her gay friend *isn't / wouldn't* go to hell (or whatever the Mormons call it) for living honestly.

I read all opinions I struggle with knowing that people ARE born with same sex attraction - how can God not want them to have partners and intimacy, etc? Yet, I see how our bodies are made and it's pretty obvious that male and female go together. What do I do with that? What do I do with my young nephew who just came out to his parents a few weeks ago - - something I'd known (and they, too, truth be told) since 2006. *He* just didn't know it yet. And of course, we want to wait and give him time and see if he doesn't 'change his mind' but we know in our hearts: he won't. And we're Catholic, and he is. And he yearns for a boyfriend the same way my son - his close cousin - yearns for his girlfriend.

Are some Mormons called 'cafeteria Mormons' as Catholics are, when they "pick and choose" which of the Church teachings to accept and adhere to?

At the end of the day and a life, I know that our Lord is MERCIFUL and that all souls are certainly treated with tenderness. Some of you talked of Jesus, who surely hung out with people who were regarded as 'wrong' and 'sinners', etc by the 'judging people' (the Pharisees) in those days b/c he wanted to SHOW US that all people deserve dignity and compassion.

Now, on to her Youth Leader friend.

I loved Courtney's honest depiction of the relationship and her deepest feelings and yearnings. Remember, her parents brought this young woman into their/her life, and as they observed the relationship becoming too 'intense', they helped set Courtney back on the right path of socializing with people in her own peer group. They helped to interrupt that bond in a kindly way - that is my read on it.

My reaction was NOT the same as how I felt about the male speech and drama teacher. This youth leader was encouraged to interact with the group and as someone just five years their senior, I'm not surprised that a mutual friendship formed. I didn't read (maybe I'm naive and it's true that I grew up as naive as Courtney did a la her middle school post) that she in any way encouraged a sexual relationship with Courtney. True, they grew close. I can understand that. She herself was confused and probably lonely. Anyway, Courtney felt close, had confusing urges, and acted impulsively with the kiss on the check. If that youth leader had been inappropriate, she would have kissed Courtney back. Did she? Courtney says not. She describes what I read as a perfectly appropriate response. She didn't laugh at her, reject her, or anything. Nor did she allow that kiss to become ANYTHING more...and if she'd been less in control of herself, she could have easily talked herself into acting on it, i.e. "Courtney made the first move."

But she smiled, accepted it as a sort of compliment (even if she felt something more, she did not act on that) and they went on. Why Courtney felt the shame? It's such a confusing time. Like she said... something about love (sexuality?) being 'fluid' and ... perplexing.

And her parents - they did intervene. They steered her away from the intense one-on-one and back onto the path of a 16/17 year old girl. Later, Courtney had the beautiful opportunity to reconnect with her friend and sort of put things into perspective all the way around. And at the end of it all, she's not judging...

Ben and Robyn said...

Good points, Jessica.

Norma said...

Thanks for your honesty.

I've struggled with same-sex attraction for about 40 years. For the most part, Church leaders and friends I've opened up to have been loving and supportive, even when I was briefly involved in a sexual relationship with another woman.

I'm active LDS (celibate)currently serving in a stake Relief Society presidency.

It's wonderful that this topic is now more openly discussed and I hope that this will continue with increased understanding and love for all of us, those who are "gay" and "lesbian" as well as those who are "same-sex attracted."

My personal experience has been that there is indeed hope for those of us who "struggle" and reject a gay identity because we want to follow the teachings of the Church and prophets as we understand them. It does get better.

Ben said...

Your quote about sexuality not necessarily being a linear experience is only the second best thing I've read today. The best thing I've read today--by far--is Jenny Hatch's reference to your post as "Lesbian erotica".

So funny.

Jennifer Shigley said...

There are many things I'd like to say about my sexuality and the confusion that brings with it. Maybe one day I'll write a post something like this... we'll see.

About the last thought, I'll never believe it either.

Denescape said...

This post - exactly why as long as you will write, I will be here reading.

Our Fairy Tale said...

Courtney-
I really enjoyed your honesty and look forward to reading your future posts.

To those who leave comments-
I think it is so sad that people can't respect others beliefs and feel threatened by them. What good comes from arguing about our different faiths, can we really feel the spirit when we are fighting. If you don't enjoy or agree with Courtney than don't read her blog it is really simple. If you don't agree with another persons comment get OVER IT. what is there to gain from spewing hurtful comments towards others. It doesn't seem christ like.

leslie King said...

I don't believe it either.

Kirsten said...

This is amazing because you have opened yourself up to so many people you've never met. You have opened yourself up so honestly and matter-of-factly; no sugar-coating your feelings at the time. I can only dream of being as brave as you've been with your honesty in your blog. I'm amazed and awestruck by the breadth of one's honesty.

Kirsten said...

The breadth of your honesty and openness on your blog is awesome, as in, I am full of awe and admiration. Bravo for stating your feelings so matter-of-factly. It was what it was and no one can tell you what you should or should not have felt.

Trish and Greg said...

@ Jeannie Shmina Grimwald: that was an excellent comment - the best one yet, and I've read them all.

@ Ben: I didn't think it was clever of you to laugh at, or dismiss Jenny Hatch's reference. She explained very well why she had that reaction.

@ Norma: Thank you for sharing your experience.

@ Our Fairy Tale, et al: I am saddened that this respectful dialog is an "argument" to you. Obviously Courtney invites comments, or the comment box would not be here. IMHO, 99% of the comments are gracious efforts to understand one another. I think that is a positive outcome from these posts. I don't find it distressing to know there are people who see things differently than I do. It seems to me that readers of Courtney's blog who DO find the differing viewpoints distressful should NOT read them. Such is life. You may either narrow your world to limit perceived conflict, or you can decide that conflict does not have to be a bad thing. Don’t begrudge people who want to respectfully share their viewpoints. A condition of being human is that we come from different backgrounds and experiences, but we understand universal needs. Building on the commonalities and striving to understand the differences is not a negative thing.

@ Courtney: I hope you keep writing your life story. You do good work.

SmileyIsles said...

"I'll never believe it."
Love that you ended with that. Perfection.

edith said...

My mom told me that it was once considered normal for an adolescent to crush on an older person of the same sex. It was a way of visualizing who you'd be when you grew up. And it wasn't considered sexual, either.
These days if anyone does that, we all make assumptions--why do we have to sexualize everything?

Unknown said...

The laws of God are not dictated by the laws of man. It doesn't matter how many states legalize same-sex marriage- it will always be contrary to the law of God...and God doesn't need to "catch up with the law of the land." It is the law of the land that is falling from the laws of God.

I have no doubt that God loves ALL of his children. Homosexuals included--but it makes a mockery out of God to say that homosexual behavior is acceptable. It's not.

I am LoW said...

@Edith- VERY GOOD POINT!!!!!

Trudy said...

I agree with Allison way at the beginning. Inappropriate coersion by a Youth leader. You had confused feelings because she was manipulating you. You were in a vulnerable stage and she took advantage of it.

Mette said...

This is such a kind and compassionate post. I learned from it - and from many of the comments as well.

Kristin said...

@Jessica--
"I totally understand that same-sex attraction presents a totally different set of challenges than other trials, but I don't think that means they are more difficult -- really truly just different. (And I do feel it necessary to point out here that there are members of the church who have same-sex attraction who have fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex and married them and had children. That may not be common, but it's not true that there is no hope of ever being able to have that in your life if you have same-sex attraction. And there are other afflictions a person could have that would prevent them from being able to have the full human experience in this lifetime, such as severe disabilities, so that is not unique to those who have SSA either.) I think believing that you somehow are being dealt a hand more difficult than anyone else's is a) wrong and b) unproductive. And ultimately, is attraction to the same sex really the problem? The attraction is not the sin. I think all of us ultimately suffer from the same base sins -- pride, valuing the love of men more than the love of God, ingratitude, etc. Those sins show up in our lives in different ways, but those are the things that truly separate us from God and make us unworthy of His presence. "

Thank you for making this point. I have been following all the comments with rapt attention and have felt that this one point was overlooked. There are many people who are heterosexual who for a variety of reasons could also truly feel that there is no hope of marriage in their earthly life. Does this mean that they must be devoid of all loving interactions, that they can never be "fulfilled" or have the committed, life long support of someone? I don't think so. I do think it is VERY very difficult, and I'm not trying to minimize the challenge, but I wince when I hear people characterizing a chaste, homosexual life as one that has NO HOPE of happiness.

Molly said...
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Molly said...

LOVE.

Unknown said...

Courtney, you're way ahead of the big 15. Glad you have the courage to do what is right.

heidihim said...

Wow, I have not always been a fan of your posts but this is the best thing I have read in a long time. Thank you for your compassion. I will never believe people will be rejected from heaven for being honest either.

Lorian said...

@Kristin & Jessica:

Jessica said: "And ultimately, is attraction to the same sex really the problem? The attraction is not the sin. I think all of us ultimately suffer from the same base sins -- pride, valuing the love of men more than the love of God, ingratitude, etc. Those sins show up in our lives in different ways, but those are the things that truly separate us from God and make us unworthy of His presence."

Neither is a committed, loving, monogamous relationship with a spouse of one's own sex "the sin."

When sex becomes an end in itself, separate from loving respect and commitment to our partner, it loses an essential spiritual component. God didn't give us sex just for pleasure and enjoyment, though those are certainly aspects of sex. But God created us as sexual beings with sexual desire and the attachments it creates in order to help us create a bond with a compatible person with whom we can share our lives. Science proves that marriage makes us better -- helps us live longer, healthier, and even happier lives. Marriage to a compatible partner brings gifts into our lives which help us to more fully envision and bring to life the love that God has for the world and for all of us as God's human creations.

Sex is a deeply spiritual act and should not be sacrificed to mere lust or thoughtless promiscuity. We serve God in our spouse with our every action -- sexual as well as practical. The desires, needs and concerns of our spouse become as important to us as our own, and we reach out to this God-given other, leaving behind the selfish gratification of merely our *own* needs and wants.

You say that "all of us ultimately suffer from the same base sins -- pride, valuing the love of men more than the love of God, ingratitude, etc." Absolutely correct. Our loving relationship to our spouse in which we learn to care about the desires and needs and well-being of another is a means of hearing God's true calling to us, to live as channels of God's love to others -- to our spouses, to our families and to the world around us.

The way that we can know that our committed relationship with a spouse of our own sex (for those of us who are homosexually-oriented) is pleasing to God, is that we *do* hear God's voice, experience God's love and feel the promptings of the Holy Spirit in our hearts and lives. We are not separated from God by our loving relationship to our spouse. As we live our lives as conduits of God's love to the world and to those around us, God's presence and comfort in our hearts is a clear indicator that we are following the path that God has set before us and desires for us to follow.

mpierce said...

Interesting, I don't recall reading anything in Courtney's post about a pedophile (which is what a lot of these comments seem to indicate). The Young Woman leader is a lesbian, not a pedophile from what I understand.
If I were to guess, I'd say we have all had crushes at one point or another during our lives. We all want to be loved and be accepted. I think that is a common thread running through all of us - God's children. The world would indeed be a better place if we loved more and accepted more. Love and accept those who are different from us in any way... Skin color, dis/ability, height, intelligence, religion, sexual preference, financial status, the list could go on and on. We are all spiritual beings going through a human experience and we are all God's children. We should love each other and treat each other with kindness. And not be so quick to judge.

Sue said...

I loved this post. If there is a heaven I don't believe you could be kept out for being honest.

Katie Aldrich said...

YAY! This was so brave- thank you Courtney.

I think it's irrelevant at this point whether the leader crossed a line or not- she was practically a child herself, had been through hell probably, AND could have tried to take things further, but clearly did not.

Life is so complex- this story illustrated that beautifully. We just don't understand it at all, nor do we need to.

SJ said...

Wow, I am amazed at the number of agreeable comments, a large number of which are presumably from mormon women. Pleasantly so. I have seen so much blind obedience in the church that I find this post and these comments very encouraging. Since I read the notes on the BYU forum a few weeks ago I have been struggling in my mind. I feel homosexuals ought to have the right to live happy, full lives and most of all the be authentic to themselves.
Courtney and others who have commented in support of this post, can you please talk about how you manage to maintain your belief in a church that so strongly disagrees with this point of view?

Lorian said...

Kristin said: "according to LDS doctrine AS WE CURRENTLY UNDERSTAND IT, they will not achieve the highest levels of the celestial kingdom as that is reserved for husbands and wives and includes the privilege of continued procreation. The last time I checked, two men or two women could not procreate."

Kristin, as someone who is not LDS, I don't have a dog in the Celestial Kingdom/Exaltation fight, but I would like to point out that yes, in fact, lesbians and gay men do procreate, by the same methods used by infertile heterosexual couples, who are not, by LDS doctrine, denied Exaltation, to my knowledge. I happen to be raising two beautiful twin daughters, myself, so the idea that lesbians can't procreate kind of makes me giggle and wonder how I managed it...

Elizabeth said...

giggling over the lesbian erotica comments. ;)

i'm not mormon and i live in one of the most liberal places in the USA, and i love reading this blog. i brush off that which i don't agree with and move on, and acknowledge that there probably isn't anyone who i'll agree with on everything. i love the thread of "imperfection is okay" that runs through courtney's writing, along with the perpetual desire to be a better person. i always hope that she realizes that "better" comparisons should only be against her own concept of what that would look like.

i think there's a huge difference between a teacher in a school and a church YW leader, though to be fair, i'm not mormon, so i may not understand that. i also think the description dealt with a harmless crush, and that nothing inappropriate was done. perhaps most importantly, i think the *point* of this story was courtney's learning about love and friendship, and letting go.

such powerful writing. and regardless of what you believe to be true, telling a story like this takes huge courage. there's a lot of vulnerability to moments like this.

YES Gallery + Studio said...

Courtney, if I were a girl and you were my youth leader I'd surely have had a crush on you. These are the kinds of posts that always keep me coming back for more. YOU. ARE. AWESOME.

Aariel said...

I read this post a few days ago and keep thinking about it, so I thought I'd comment. I loved it - so honest and beautiful. Your relationship with your parents (especially your dad) seems so open and loving. Your parents are wise people.

To the commenters who think their relationship was inappropriate: if her YW leader had not been 'revealed' to be a lesbian at the end, would you still think she had crossed the line? What if she was straight? Married? Had kids?

Angela said...

Like many others I'm coming out of comment lurking :) I could gush and cheer and shout hooray, but instead I'll just say...thank you. <3

acte gratuit said...

The stance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is clearly stated right here:

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-mormon-responds-to-human-rights-campaign-petition-same-sex-attraction

I think it is well explained and unambiguous!
(Maybe someone already posted this link, but I stopped reading about 100 comments ago.)

Taylor K said...

Incredible post Courtney. Thank you so much for writing this.

Cristi said...

Thank you Shannon and springrose! Yes, God is Love and He loves ALL his children regardless of sexual orientation, but God also has commandments and there is such a thing as sin. He tells us this through the scriptures, the prophets, and the apostles. We can decide we know more than them or we can decide to remain clean.

I am LoW said...

Reminds me of this- http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=7087

20. Other strengths that can be used for our downfall are the gifts of love and tolerance. Clearly, these are great virtues. Love is an ultimate quality, and tolerance is its handmaiden. Love and tolerance are pluralistic, and that is their strength, but it is also the source of their potential weakness. Love and tolerance are incomplete unless they are accompanied by a concern for truth and a commitment to the unity God has commanded of his servants.

Carried to an undisciplined excess, love and tolerance can produce indifference to truth and justice and opposition to unity. What makes mankind "free" from death and sin is not merely love but love accompanied by truth: "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32). And the test of whether we are the Lord's is not just love and tolerance, but unity. "If ye are not one," the risen Lord said, "ye are not mine" (D&C 38:27). To follow the Lord's example of love, we must remember his explanation that "whom I love I also chasten" (D&C 95:1) and also that he chastens us "that [we] might be one" (D&C 61:8).

Brittany TYD said...

Sister, I am so proud of you. I don't know you and this is my first visit to your blog. But I am proud.

I could literally feel God's grace and compassion and mercy and love coming out of those words. You are an incredible woman.

Thank you.

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