The 9th East church had two chapels, one with green carpet and one with orange. It was a massive edifice with lots of satellite classrooms and offices and a baptismal font attached to a gigantic gym full of echos and Friday night ward parties. There was a kitchen and two stages where we put on over-produced, over-acted road shows every few years and a massive black steeple on the west-facing wing. We went to church there every Sunday, walking the small block up the street with our bags of scripture and dressed in our Sunday best. Ours was the green chapel.
When I was tweleve years old I graduated out of the Primary room on the northside to the Young Women's room--a location only accessed by going outside of the building, through a set of mirrored doors, upstairs and down a hall into a room with a piano and a windowed view of Brigham Young University. In this upstairs room, always hot and full of fanning young women and adult women we learned about doctrine, about how our world was detiorating into wars and sin, but mostly about marriage and motherhood. Marriage and motherhood, our salvation in this earthly existence.
On Wednesdays we'd meet back at the chapel for activities relating to domesticity--napkin folding classes and how to make spaghetti. We were encouraged to help around our own home, noting and modeling our mother's moves, changing cloth diapers with clothes pins and pale yellow rubber diaper covers to the babies we tended. One Sunday I remember an older young women asking why we didn't get to do the same activities the young men were doing, bike riding, rock climbing, camping. It surprised me she didn't enjoy being trained on how to knit potholders, or arrange flowers in a vase, or make recipe boxes out of wood and paint them with stencils.
I don't remember our leaders response to her, but I do remember coming to a realization that I had a voice in my church. If this young woman could question something, so could I. And I remember this coming as a powerful sentiment of relief and permission.
Cumulatively though, I grew from twelve years old into nineteen years old believing the earlier I married and had children the more the Lord loved me and if this was done expediently and without complaint the more I would make my family proud. This message started at home, firm and unmoveable and it shadowed everything I heard at church.
Certainly there was something inside of me that begged me to believe bigger and see widely a view my Heavenly Parents had for me. A tug of divinity would often pull at me, I was born to be lots of things, a mother? Yes. A wife? Yes. But also a student and teacher, a lover, a dreamer, and maybe even a writer. My life was peppered with women and men planting seeds of possibility, people who challenged my anxiety towards the expectations pulsating my life.
Yet when I was nineteen years old, at the college across the valley down by the lake I could only feel one thing: I had to get married young or my value would decrease over time, like anything else worth having.
So it was the first boy who showed a passion for me--a dark, persuasive, charming boy in my Speech and Drama class--I closed my eyes and fell into the relationship. Closed my eyes so tight and hung on hoping this alarmingly bad romance could end on its feet. Closed my eyes and didn't open them until years later when I realized I had been entirely robbed, mind, body and spirit.
I use the word robbed, but something of my former life, something about that girl in the upstairs room of the green chapel shakes her head at me and says, no you chose. You chose to be robbed.
And that makes me sad.
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Breathtaking. Faith is pure, but its earthly institutions are humanly flawed. If it weren't this way evangelism wouldn't be such a task.
Oh, C. Jane, it has been a long last part of July without you.
My daughter passed on the article by Neylan McBaine that you tweeted. She and I have been going back and forth about it. Your life story is a part of the big dialogue--thank you so much for telling it.
Yay you're back! I have loved your blog this year and missed you while you were gone. Keep up the good work!
Your description of the chapel on 9th East stirred my soul. I too grew up there. But my growth started when I was 21 and a member of the Y-Mount ward that ALWAYS was lucky enough to draw the short straw and meet at 3:00. Every.Darn.Year. (BYU wards obviously were low on the totem pole.) I also remember how the kitchen cabinets had locks on them. It's been over 20 years since I attended church in that green chapel, nursed my first baby in the little mothers lounge or attended a Marriage Enrichment class up in that sweltering little room on the second floor. I love that building. I love driving past it and telling my kids for the 417th time that "that is where daddy and I used to go to church when we were BYU student." Thanks for stirring up some great memories. (((:
I'm proud of you for owning your choices and not being a victim of a poor first marriage.
My 12 year old is excited to go on hikes, to girls camp, to plant a garden and do all sorts of outdoorsy things because now Young Women in church are in charge of the activities and lead them.
I will sub for the Laurel class this Sunday. The lesson is about self control.... and how this will get you to motherhood, the measure of your existence. The added materials on lds.org include a video clip of a YW leader telling the girls to me modest so they do not rob the young men of the spirit or the PH of the Lord.
I wanted to scream. I will not teach this. I will teach the girls this Sunday that self control is for knowing who you are, knowing the divinity within you and being who you truly are (whoever this may be) without letting outside sources decide for you. And if I must teach modesty, I will tell them to be proud of their bodies, to treat their bodies with respect and to NEVER let ANYONE tell them that they are in charge of what men think.
Those YW classes are the cause of much harm, I fear.
Growing up just up the hill from you in Orem, I have enjoyed your memories of growing up in Provo. It's amazing to me that growing up in Orem in the same faith produced such a different experience for me. I always knew that being a wife and mother were only a piece of my life's ambition not the whole of it. I always felt encouraged to explore and educate myself and through life's adventures discover my potential as a daughter of God and be all I wanted to be. I hope my daughters realize that their worth is not related to dating, marriage, or motherhood, but to what kind of person they become as they experience life and have a relationship with God.
When I transferred to BYU at age 19, I totally expected marriage within a year or two. Obviously. And it felt like half of everyone DID get married within a year or two. But here I am, 23, and unmarried. And I am so grateful.
But I know that feeling so well. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Exactly what my soul needed to hear. I find my feelings being echoed in your words. Can't wait for more!
I wish you could have gone to young women's with me. What a different experience we had. I am sad for you too.......
Yay, the honest voice is back, challenging us to think more deeply and reexamine our lives, too. Your words hang around with me, and I'm so glad for it!
I am old enough, and then some, to be your mother, but I also remember those same feelings of those young years when everyone but me was dating, getting engaged and getting married. I didn't get married till I was 24 and thought I was such an old bride. Waiting was a gift given to me, not one I wanted. Waiting didn't make marriage easier, but I made better choices, I think, when difficult moments happened. I am so looking forward to this part of your story.
we missed you so much cjane. thank u
This was my story... I chose to write my missionary and chose to marry him even though I look back now and see how everything was soo soo bad.
I even got married less than a year after the first one ended because I had no worth unless I got married.
I know that is not true now, but that was a belief I was fed and one I chose to not question. Good thing husband number two is infinitely better than the first.
I also grew up in a very conservative LDS home and neighborhood and had many of those same lessons taught to me. I specifically remember a Merrie Miss lesson where I was taught to bring a comb and washcloth with me to school so I could freshen up durning recess. (Ha ha!) And of course there was the famous 'chewed gum' lesson. Luckily though, I don't remember feeling like those messages were in any way tied to my self worth. For some reason I took these lessons as someone else's suggestion, and not as pure doctrine.
I've really been loving this whole series C. Jane. Partially because the writing is so beautiful, partially because of how much it speaks to me, but mostly because it gives me hope that someday I could have a place in the Church again.
The problem is that what you felt you were being taught is no where in the doctrine of the church, but it's everywhere in the culture of the church.
It is true though, contrary to the comments of another, that the way we dress our bodies does influence the thoughts of others- how we dress is an invitation for how we allow others to think of us.
It's not a matter of chosing the bad or the good. Becoming a wife and mother is an important eternal step that is emphasized because of its importance in the eternal aspect. Are there other wonderful, spiritually enhancing, perfectly good activities that have their place in YW? ABSOLUTELY! And, we should seek variety in all aspects of our life. HOWEVER- the majority of our time as leaders should be spent in teaching those values which are essential- its chosing the best and better over the good.
That's why family involvment and interaction are so critical- the church can not be expected to be everything- simply a supplement for the MOST important.
I think maybe owning one's life is even closer to godliness than cleanliness. Or maybe it's that the owning and the cleansing are inseparably connected.
That's it—today I will restart my own life story (again). Haven't decided whether or not to post it to the WWW, but it seems like a good project to give some fresh energy. Thanks for the nudge.
Did you ever read the email I sent you in May? I hope so. I didn't require a reply, but I want to think that at least you got that little piece of finished business from me, delivered with love.
Thank you, again, for your honesty. Thank you for sharing it with us. It really does feel like sharing.
When we're 12 or 19, it's hard for our inner voices to speak louder or more forcefully than the outside world. And oh, how our family's love and social group's acceptance can sway us to make decisions that some corner of us knows are dead-wrong. I think that's true for nearly every person, maybe more especially for girls (and religious kids, too). God bless the mouthy teenagers who speak from their inner voice and show the rest of us how to do it.
Pinterest lover that I am, I pinned a Shel Silverstein poem the other day that has been on my mind a lot, called "The Voice." "There is a voice inside of you / That whispers all day long. / 'I feel that this is right for me, / I KNOW that this is wrong.' / No teacher, preacher, parent, friend, / Or wise man can decide / What's right for you -- just listen to / The voice that speaks inside." I just want to paint that in huge red letters across my future kids' bedroom walls. Under the advice to follow the prophet and obey your parents and respect your elders, I don't want them to ever forget their primary tool for life: that voice inside, whether that means the Holy Ghost or their Jiminy-Cricket-conscience.
I'm so sorry you were robbed, whether you chose it or not. And I'm very glad that you're writing about it.
Really interesting perspective! I remember questioning my Young Women leader as to why we weren't going on a hike like the YM. Because I asked, we were invited and went. A victory!
I felt I needed to get married as well, that theme is hammered hard in YW. But when the boy came to ask me, a 19 year-old sophomore, I felt way too young and scared. But after relentless persuasion, I agreed to marry him. Thankfully, he had the courage to call it off after 5 months. We weren't right for each other and we would have ended up in divorce. After the break up I felt like damaged goods. No one would want to marry me because I'd already been engaged and then dumped. My fiance had found my flaws so a big red flag should have been attached to my head. No one else should even try to be with me. Thankfully, those feelings passed (aka I grew up a little) and dated and married a wonderful man. Still, I think I associate too much of my self esteem with my marriage.
All things work together for our good in the long run. Like Joseph he got to exactly where he needed to be exactly when he needed to be there even though the road was rough.
No lesson is lost. I don't think you are or were robbed, I think you have a spiritual depth and comprehension not afforded to those who tow the line without exception.
I am your same age and I'm happy to say that I had a much different experience than you did in Young Women's class. I feel that I was taught the value of getting an education, giving service, and that my self worth was based on the fact that I am a child of God. I feel badly that yours was a different experience.
(that was me above...)
I think one of the biggest reasons that the church teaches the idea of getting married young, is because we believe in not having sex before marriage. Seriously, can you think of a 21 year old guy who isn't totally focused on all things related to sex?! And a lot of girls too. That whole virginity thing is tough to maintain. And there are many very good, non-church-related reasons to remain a virgin until you get married, anybody who has taken a high school health class knows what they are.
I grew up in S. CA. We had etiquette dinners every couple of years, but we also did a lot of activities that focused on the beauty of nature (loved those solo experiences with my journal), the beauty of being an individual, and for heaven's sake how could you forget SERVICE? Maybe things were different in UT.
Thank you for your honesty. It's such a breath of fresh air.
Great essay. Refreshingly thoughtful!
I understand this one, and appreciate it on so many levels. I can't even begin to say . . . except, "Thank You" for being bold enough to write.
Your experience makes me sad too. It makes me sad that what you got out of YW is that somehow your worth was lessened if you didn't marry young. I know I'm only 19, but I have never felt that kind of pressure in my life, and I too am a sophomore student at BYU. The key thing I learned in YW is that God loves me no matter what, because my worth is eternally great as one of His daughters. Whether I get married at 19, 24, 30, or never, I know my worth in this life is equally great. Maybe your experience is attributed to a difference in the culture of UT, or maybe the culture of the church has just gotten more open-minded in my generation. Either way, I'm glad your experience has at least opened your eyes to how truly great you are.
I loved this. Being in the YW presidency myself I strive every week to make sure the girls know they are daughters of God. They need to be independent but also learn how to take care of them selves and others. Respecting your body and being modest, I believe, will benifit them and help the world take them more seriously as strong women. Thanks for sharing c Jane
I once heard a few younger women friends (who were Young Women when I met them) say that all the lessons were about marriage. It shocked me! I had served in YW during their teen years (secretary for them, later an advisor), and I remember the variety of lessons I prepared. Reading through these comments, it occurs to me that perhaps those YW did hear about marriage each week -- as noted in comments above, the component and stressed parts of each lesson vary depending on who is teaching.
It is entirely possible that for some in YW the importance of motherhood is emphasized by their leaders to a degree in which personal development and developing a relationship with God becomes secondary.
Although the image of a young woman in flowing dress has been replaced with a temple, I think that in most cases the emphasis in YW is on preparing for temple marriage v. being temple worthy and preparing to make temple covenants. I also agree that family culture can create a filter in which YW receives a message. My point? I do think marriage is emphasized. I suspect more YW get a more well-rounded view of womanhood and the gospel than they used to. The choices involved in getting married are complex and not always rational. I, for one, try to be positive yet realistic when teaching about marriage -- it's not a fairy tale!
OK, I'm done now. CJane, you're a rockstar.
I thoroughly enjoy your writing. Keep it up!
I'm so glad you are writing again! I love your thoughts and the way you express them. Thank you for sharing this part of your heart.
The turn this took in the last paragraph and a half reminded me of what Reagan recently wrote (here http://www.reagansblob.com/2012/07/official-statement/): "My love for him and hope for a happy life together prevented me from giving up. I tried my hardest to save/mend the relationship, but I knew from the beginning that it wasn’t meant to last. I don’t know anyone else who gambled on a marriage they didn’t think would last, but I wanted it to and was willing to try anything."
I think it's quite common for people to pursue the heck out of something that they know, deep down, isn't right. Sometimes going down the wrong path just seems easier than the alternative.
I'm so glad your back. I was really hoping for a CJane sighting in Portland while you were here, and I mean that in the least creepy way possible.
I've had friends say they thought the same thing about their young women's experience growing up, but mine wasn't like that at all. We learned how to change tires, and the oil in our cars, we went to old folks homes, we cooked, we played sports, we did crafts, we made cookies and delivered them to people, we basically planned our own activities... I don't remember the crazy push for marriage and children. I think my leaders were so different from one another in life experiences that it gave us a great variety of experiences. I think that's how it should be, but unfortunately I think some people taught or maybe some people heard that if we ctr and get married in the temple then all will be happy and perfect, which is sad because that's not it. But, that's how a lot of my friends remember young womens - hopefully that's not the only thing young women are taking out of their classes now...
Everyone has such different experiences. During my YW years I went to...8 different wards (yes we moved a lot) and I don't remember the activities like that. But I did grow up back east. Who knows if that makes a difference or not?
But that isn't the comment I wanted to leave. I just wanted to say I have been waiting for some beautiful real writing so I am so glad you are back CJane. And that last line about choosing. Such a beautiful real writer (no not bipolar...ha ha just got on twitter and saw that) BEAUTIFUL.
Whoops and this isn't Ty Brown, it's his wife Vanessa.
Although you and I are about the same age (I am older) and grew up in the same church (although I grew up in SC) sometimes you say things that make me think otherwise. This post is one of them.
I am so glad I grew up in GA. I had a completely different YW experience.
Ah, that is a painful look at what many of us feel and have to confront growing up LDS in Utah. I applaud you for your honesty.
I guess now is a better time than never to take the reigns of our life and start owning up to being in the driver's seat, even if we have been on auto pilot up until now. XO
Its so nice to see someone owning their "mistakes" although I wouldn't presume to actually label your major life experiences mistakes or regrets myself. It is just refreshing to read about accountability, about learning and growing and contemplating and taking responsibility. How wonderful. Of course the world around you and the influences you grew up under are flawed, but we all are, and for the most part all trying our best.
Nice to hear from you again, I hope you are enjoying your summer!
Love reading this. Your description of where you worshiped as a young woman is so beautiful. Inspirational, actually!
I know I'll probably be unpopular for saying this, but I really think young adults need to think seriously before marrying before age 25.
I know there are a million success stories (like your cute sister, Nie Nie.)
I know I became a stronger, more mature, accountable and capable woman from 19-25. I thought I was ready at 21, I look back and read journal/blog entries and realize how much I wasn't.
There is something really wonderful to be said for having a growing up period from 19-25. I am so glad now that I had that time.
This: "I grew from twelve years old into nineteen years old believing the earlier I married and had children the more the Lord loved me"
I'm 39, single, and I am just now starting to deprogram from this line of thinking. And I am angry with myself (and the church a little bit) for perpetuating this belief while I've been building a career, always thinking in the back of my mind that my career is not as noble or worthy in God's eyes.
Most of the time, I feel like I am being punished for any and all sins because I'm not married. Because if the Lord loved me, he would have made possible any of the dozens of guys I've dated in the past twenty years to see that I was worth marrying. I get that it's faulty logic, but that doesn't make it any easier.
I appreciate your thoughts and your honesty. I grew up in North Carolina, and only lived in Utah for a short stretch of time when I was a student at BYU. My experience as a young woman in the church was very different. I find myself wondering if the culture is so very different when you grow up in Utah. Of course, I was taught about the importance of families and the blessings of motherhood, but I was also taught to live big and set personal goals for myself. we hiked and camped and went tubing down the river and jumped off crazy big rocks into icy cold rivers. We researched colleges and learned to serve others and how to change our own tires. Seriously... cloth diapering and napkin folding?
Of course, I don't question your experience. I only hope it was limited by the narrow minds of humans as far as they interpreted the gospel. And that is kind of a bummer. Because nothing about the church as I've experienced it has ever implied that a woman's worth is directly related to her age upon marriage or the number of children she chooses to have, or how well she arranges flowers or folds a napkin.
Wait. I can't say that. Of course, I've met people in this world within the church who have made such implications. I guess what we need to celebrate, as you do through this post, is the fact that we can be smart enough to separate our faith from the ignorance of some that exist and teach and preach within our faith. Make sense? I'm kinda thinking I just talked myself in a circle... but basically, what I'm saying is my experience was different than yours, but I see where you're coming from and agree with the need to liberate our minds and do things for the right reasons.
The second to last sentence gave me chills. Goodness, I've missed you!
This idea about my worth being tied to marriage - and hopefully as soon as possible - is something I am very familiar with. There are a lot of ideas I was raised with as a Young Woman in the church that have actually served to complicate my life now that I'm an adult. My choices are my own. But I'm not sure I could have chosen very differently given the cultural expectations I was raised with. I'm now a young women's leader and I'm appalled at how many of the lessons are either directly about marriage - or indirectly emphasize it. I think we are doing these girls a huge disservice by emphasizing these things to the exclusion of other important topics. Shouldn't we be talking about Christ more and homemaking a little less? I'm astounded sometimes at the complete lack of acknowledgment of these girls as individuals, rather than just as future mothers and wives, and have to carefully craft the lesson in a way that doesn't make me want to tear my hair out.
You have so much courage, to share these thoughts with the world. So much of what you say resonates very deeply with me, but I have a hard time working up the guts to share these things even with my own family. Thank you for sharing such an intimate view of your inner self with all of us. Your words are a beautiful gift.
Crikey how different our lives have been in so many ways, the main difference being my family were never particularly religious. It's so strange reading your blog knowing how we are worlds apart, and yet I too married young, I too believed I needed to be in a relationship as soon as possible, I too closed my eyes tightly and hoped everything would turn out alright (as if by magic).
I enjoy reading your blog, reading about your life, it has been so different to mine in so many ways, and yet when you write about your insecurities it makes me realise that we aren't so different after all, there must be women all over the world, from all backgrounds, feeling exactly the same about themselves.
Welcome home, I missed you :)
Great job making the church look super weird, yet again. I realize this your experience bit you show a little more reverence for the church...just my opinion.
Truth is powerful. I identify strongly with what you wrote. Thanks for articulating what I've felt but didn't have the words to express. Sure did miss you these last few weeks. Welcome back!
Oh, I am so glad you're back. And as always, I am so thankful for your honesty. You are wonderful!
Me, too. I chose poorly and felt robbed. But I can't undo the past and so now I choose to live in the moment...
There is SO much truth in this.
I am glad that a) I grew up in an area where the church is definitely the minority; and b) that I struggled to find and decide my worth to me. It doesn't wane in Heavenly Father's eyes; just in our own.
When I did find and figure it out, I had no idea what I'd discovered.
What I now know, ten years later, is that I discovered my worth in Heavenly Father's eyes. He loves me; whether I was married or not. And that is one of the most precious gifts he could have given me.
Of course, my story worked out; but not how I planned. I wanted to be a college graduate, successful sports journalist with a fantastic career and great husband. What I have now is so much greater than that. I had a career I happily gave up for my family and future family, an awesome husband, and a completed college degree.
I was just recently reminded that our worth was set before we came to earth. Our worth does not change - no matter what. Believe it or not, even Satan has worth. Our worth isn't measured by what we do. We are all children of a loving Heavenly Father. What's important is that we are progressing. That makes me feel a whole lot better knowing that!
That is why I would never want to raise my kids in Utah. It's almost as if the culture overrides the gospel. Luckily, my experience was different and my kids are benefitting from being raised where girls are taught better. I'm glad you were able to overcome that perception and learn to value yourself for the right reasons.
I am glad to see you writing again, great essay.
I am also glad I was raised without organized religion and granted the right to think for myself, pursue my own ideals. Not a slam, just my thoughts.
We went to the Catholic church until I was 10. All it meant to me at that young age was that God was always watching for fault and that any 'infraction' meant Hell after death.
Not terribly inspiring!
I'm printing this out and having it inserted into the ward bulletin in my BYU student ward. Scratch that, in ALL BYU student wards. Heck I may just have it embossed on some fancy paper and mailed to every bishop I have ever had. Ever.
Such a poignant, raw, honest, and incredibly needed message for the young women in the church today.
Thanks so much for your spirit, intelligence and example!
sometimes i think .. thats what we 'think' happened in young womens but it isnt reality... i wonder why? (our own culture of what we believe??) I have ex lds friends and they all say all we were ever taught was get married and hand your money over for tithing...
I teach young womens and I've taught importance of education, power of satan, journal keeping, money management, divine potential, being dependable and the list goes on. There is a lesson on marriage maybe once or twice a year. Why do people focus on this? or believe that is all they are ever taught?
I enjoyed crafts at young womens and people who are anti crafts might think this is all that is done, but really we do games, scavenger hunts, sewing, planning for the year,
the reality is the BOYS have to change ... so often the leaders let them get away with playing sports every week when I believe the BOYS need to be doing craft, scripture based things, cooking, etc and focusing as much on a variety of exercises as the girls do.
Hello!
I am so happy to see you back posting and even happier to see that you are writing again! When I was young there was even a stronger expectation that a girl would graduate high school with the goal of finding a husband and becoming a housewife and mother. I graduated high school at 17, married and was a mother at age 18. I wasn't able to return to school until much later when I then had 3 children and was a single parent. I made those decisions also - but the pressure of the society one lives in can't be denied. I look forward to your next post! Wishing you a happy day!
Hugs,
Barbara Diane
I have been reading your blog for a couple years, but never posted. However, this hit close to home for me. I am 29, LDS, temple-worthy, and "unmarried." Shocking, I know. It breaks my heart that as a society we are so caught up in the appearances that we forget about what is truly important. As a Latter-Day Saint, I try to make my life decisions using the Holy Ghost to guide me. Yes, there have been plenty of opportunities for me to be something else, but I know I have been led to my life path by Heavenly Father through personal revelation.
I am thankful for wise, kind, and loving parents who have encouraged me to be temple worthy. At all times, they have pushed me to discover who I am and what my strengths are, telling me how proud they are of my accomplishments. Never have I felt, from any ward I was in or my family, that my worth was equated with my marital status.
It would be very easy for me to be bitter. My best friend, who got married at 18 is now the mother of 5 wonderful, glorious, messy, sweet children. I thought that's what I wanted. As I have learned to listen to the Spirit, I know that there will be time for these things to happen to me. I may have to wait a long time, but will my wait be better with faith, or with bitterness? I choose to put my confidence in my Heavenly Father that all things will work together for my good. Especially those things that are hard and break my heart.
I have to say, Courtney, that I don't recognize much of this post. I was a teen in Utah in the seventies. And, yes, I questioned why the YW couldn't raft the Green River every year as the YM did. But I never, never, ever thought my worth was connected to whether I had a wedding ring on my hand or not.
I guess there's no way to know why some of us "get" that, and some of us don't - or, at least, not until we're older.
And, it looks like I've been able to pass this down to the next generation - the "Lindsay" post just prior to mine is from my daughter.
What a good start down this deep dark tunnel Courtney Jane. Isn't it strange what we talk ourselves into?
mel
I myself am not Mormon. I do not understand the pressure in the Mormon church to be married. As a Catholic, we value the single life, the priesthood (which is a non-married life), being a sister (again non-married)or a brother. I honestly believe that for some marriage is not what he/she is called to do. It must be difficult to be part of a faith community that makes one feel less valued if he/she is not married.
I'm very sad to read your post today. It makes me question the Mormon faith even more. I'm not a Mormon, but I have to ask... how could a higher power (i.e. God) pass judgment on anyone and how on earth could a person’s value decrease over time??? Who on earth would ever even utter these words? It has been my experience, that with each passing year I become more valuable along with the people around me. Knowledge and wisdom make us rich beyond our wildest dreams. And for a church to tell me, that at 50 years (young) I have no value is crazy and unacceptable. This mentality is antiquated and desperately needs to be changed. I am saddened that young girls are growing up under the spires of the temple believing if they don't follow the rules of the church, and start a family at 19, they won't be worthy. Talk about a train wreak... the pressure of trying to achieve this "marriage goal" and developed a healthy self image and adequate self-esteem is a recipe for disaster. How confusing and unhealthy that is! A very sad day indeed!!
"I had to get married young or my value would decrease over time, like anything else worth having."
Thank you for this post! I too felt like my YW experience gave a very one-sided picture of what my life "should" be... I was taught the picture-perfect Mormon life and when I moved on into college I found myself drawn into a career and didn't get married until 30. Wow, people thought I was a rebel with questions like "Don't you want to have children?" Why aren't you married yet?" and "Oh it will be your turn next." Then I did get married and it took us another 5-years to have our first child. We didn't advertise that we were trying unsuccessfully so people just assumed we didn't want children and would give us strange looks. These were church members - not the community we lived in (Harrisburg, Pennsylvania area). It was maddening!
@Ruthanne, the church IS super weird. You can embrace it, or you can hate it, or you can shrug at it. But you can't *deny* it.
@Girlwholovestotalk: You said, "sometimes i think .. thats what we 'think' happened in young womens but it isnt reality... i wonder why?"
I agree that different people are sensitive to different messages, so while one girl may think marriage was heavily emphasized in YW, another girl -- in the same ward at the same time -- may not share that perception. But it's not a matter of what "really" happened, or what "really" didn't. Rather, it's a matter of which messages were taken to heart and which were not.
Even today, I think YW definitely have the impression -- between church, home, and social experiences -- that a young marriage is a sign of faith, obedience, and hence desirability. I used to work with teenagers; I never discussed religion with them, but once in a while a girl or girls would confide in me beliefs very similar to what CJane describes here. Some of the girls felt pressured or frightened by the notion that they ought to be married by 24 (after 24, "People think there's something wrong with you," one girl told me), but other girls were excited at the idea of being married soon after graduation. In any case, the consensus was that young marriage was most definitely THE expectation.
@Trish. You said, "I never, never, ever thought my worth was connected to whether I had a wedding ring on my hand or not. I guess there's no way to know why some of us "get" that, and some of us don't."
Messages are sent and received in countless ways. Perhaps nobody ever said to Cjane, "The younger you are when you get married, the more worthy, desirable, and good you are, as a Mormon and as a woman." But the message is sent in just about every other way, e.g. by teaching 12-year-olds how to change diapers; by adults *congratulating* a newly engaged 18-year-old rather than asking her what her hurry is; by constantly asking barely-legal women what their relationship status is and if they'd like to be set up with so-and-so; by lavishing approval onto young, ill-prepared, financially dependent newlyweds. Shall I continue?
My goodness you write beautifully. Our experiences in YW were not similar and I'm grateful for that. I'm LDS and grew up in Southern Utah, and I must not have felt TOO much pressure to marry, as I didn't end up doing it until I was 36 years old. Regardless of our differences in choices, upbringing, and experience, reading your story as told by you is a treat. Thank you.
Such beautiful thoughts. I too am grateful that my YW's experiences didn't mirror yours. Somehow my teachers were able to drill in our divine worth and it was in no way connected to being married. I grew up I Northern CA though. Perhaps that bit of "culture" was a little different out here.
you know... what about that wonderful young women leader you wrote about... the one that made you feel beautiful, that taught you how to drive, that had sleepovers and did amazing things with you.... i think this post is vastly different from how you described it in another post... a disservice to her and all who work hard in young womens.... but anyway it's a good eye opener to work 'even harder' too many girls fall through the cracks... it really makes me sad. I'm glad that you came through... don't you now have a calling in Young Women?
anyway glad you're back. I missed your posts... back with a bang since I've commented twice now!
i really love that you're not afraid to write posts like this. everyone can take it how they want to, and some comments i've read i want to defend what you've written, and then BOOM! i was like, whoa, CJANE is BOLD! its pretty cool that you write like this. HOO-RAH, girl.
i also read this wondering if you grew up in so-california like i did if you would have felt the same way? but 50 other people thought the same thing. i feel SO original right now.
That's my story too. Over four years spent on a mistake marriage, but I also left and found a new husband -- an awesome husband.
Keep it up, Jane. I don't read many blogs often, but I appreciate it when I come around again.
i'm always a little confused by your posts, they seem to contradict one another. sometimes you're so proud to be a mormon with positive posts and your "i'm a mormon" sidebar... and other times you seem to be "bashing" the church mostly focusing on the negative. you often paint a picture of the church being restrictive and single minded (among other things), giving people a wrong impression of what is really taught. you have many readers who are not of your faith who base what they know about the lds church on what you write. knowing this, it seems like you wouldn't be so looming. i know that you're writing what you feel- coming from your point of view and that's fine, but maybe you could make that more clear. people end up assuming that what YOU experienced is what ALL women experience growing up in the church, and their negative beliefs about the church are confirmed when they read things like, "This message started at home, firm and unmoveable and it shadowed everything I heard at church."
i have a hard time believing that you never had yw activities that deviated from napkin folding and making spaghetti. from the comments, it looks like there weren't many people who had the same negative experience that you did. i feel a dark cloud hanging over me when i read your posts like this. could your point be made without all the negativity?
Hi CJane
thanks so much for your post. If that's ok I'm sharing this with our young women.
The best for you
I had this same response. I grew up in California and even though I was the 6th of 8 kids, I learned to rely on Christ and to see my life full of possibilities in YW. So much depends on your leaders and your parents. My mother encouraged me to be anything I wanted to be.
I didn't feel pressured to marry young...but that could be my own definition of young was skewed. I promised myself I wouldn't get married before I was 20. After 3 yrs at BYU I served a mission and didn't marry til I was 23. Which I felt was beginning to be old. Now that seems young.
This is not what our church teaches. It might have been what some people implied or how Courtney understood things, but if you read all the comments most of us Mormon girls (especially outside Utah) did not have this perception.
Beautiful truth.
(I love how you're not supposed to blog about your actual experience, but rather about some made-up experience that would reflect more positively on the church. Oy.)
Betina - a friend in my old Highland ward told me that the YW in her ward decided that they should all wear shorts and t-shirts over their swimming suits at girls camp, so that they would not "tempt" the priesthood men in attendance. The fathers of their peers. This is what we've taught them, that men are unable to control themselves, that the sight of girlish shoulders and thighs will present such a great temptation that even stalwart men will be tempted beyond all imagination. And that this is the responsibility of the YW. It makes me want to grab my 11 year old daughter and run screaming into the wilderness. Because this is not what I want her to learn.
If we go to church at all (and I am starting to question if we should) I want her to learn about Jesus, and service, and goodness, and honesty. I want her religion to strengthen her, to help her see her value as a child of God - not specifically as a child of God who is preparing to be a mother and a wife. Because maybe she will be, maybe she won't be, but in any event she needs to have the chance to develop into a full fledged PERSON before she is forced to focus on marriage prep and motherhood.
So I do not want her to learn about preparing for marriage. I do not want her to learn, in church, about preparing for motherhood. She will be a TEENAGER. She does not need to spend her Sundays focusing on boys. (I'm sure she will do enough of that on her own.) I do not want her to learn about supporting the priesthood (whatever that even means, practically speaking). I want her to learn about things that will make her a good person NOW - as a single woman, as a mother or as a childless woman, as a citizen of this earth, as a HUMAN BEING.
She turns 11 this month. She is so tender and impressionable and malleable. And I just do not know if I can stomach sending her.
For now, I preview the primary lessons online. When the lessons teach her to be ashamed of her shoulders, we go hiking in the mountains, in shorts, and flex our muscles and feel strong. When the lessons are about how women are special too (really, you are, we will keep telling you this so that you hopefully will overlook all of the ways in which we rob you of any institutional authority whatsoever) and how they can show it by supporting the priesthood, and about how they can change the world within the roles the church has defined for them, we will go to the library, and we will check out books about strong women who changed the world, all by themselves, without anyone at all to give them direction.
The End. (Sorry, should've used my own blog for that, but I'm exceptionally lazy right now.)
And I know literally hundreds of women who felt this same way. I belong to a Facebook group with over a thousand women who had similar experiences in the church. So Sage, and others, please don't presume to tell us what the perception of "most mormon girls" was. Courtney shared her perception and experience. You can share yours. But you can't speak for "most". Clearly, many women had the same perception and experience. I know I did. My sisters did. Many friends did.
@Tina- Please don't judge the Mormon faith by this post.
I'm with Bill.
Dear OneTrueSue - I have NEVER read a Primary Lesson that taught girls to be ashamed of their shoulders or that they are "special" too, as if inferior to those who hold the Priesthood. I think that we each interpret things in VERY different ways.
I did not experience anything like this in YW either...Thank Heavens! A lot of what C.Jane experienced may have been "generational" with a dose of "Utah culture" thrown in! :o) She also expressed that that is what she felt was strongly encouraged in HER home. Isn't it awesome that we have the freedom and ability to teach gospel truths in OUR homes!
The YW program is there to support families and what is taught in the home. YW leaders, bless their hearts, are just lay people. People called to serve these girls and give of their time freely. YW leaders vary. They have their own views and opinions based on their life experiences. And by golly, they may occasionally even make a mistake or two. That is why it is important that we spend our time and best efforts teaching correct principles and doctrine to our children.
I have 3 daughters in YW right now. They play softball, volleyball, and even flag football with the YW in our Stake. They have gone swimming, hiking, and learned CPR at YW activites. They also spend a great deal of time learning about and serving others. I am grateful for these opportunities and I am grateful for their leaders.
We always take the time to discuss what was learned in their classes at church each week over dinner. And yes, there has been a time or two where I have disagreed with the way a leader has interpreted or taught something or even inappropriate subject matter. That is when I, as their mother, take the time and opportunity to teach them what I believe is right. That's my job! (And my privilege!)
P.S. The Young Women plan their own weekly activities in Presidency meetings with their leaders. We did that back in the day as well.
C.Jane must have had some girls in her class that were interested in knitting potholders, folding napkins and arranging flowers. :o)
@Bill -- You said, "people end up assuming that what YOU experienced is what ALL women experience growing up in the church"
No. And Mormons need to stop being sooo angsty about this. Anytime anyone online shares a church experience tinged with even the slightest negativity, a chorus of LDS jump in to say, "That wasn't MY experience! I have NEVER had THAT happen to ME!! YOUR experience must be either made-up or an isolated anomaly!! Why so NEGATIVE??!!!!!"
Cjane is describing what her perception was as a teenager, i.e. how she interpreted the messages communicated at home and at church. That none of it is LDS doctrine is hardly the point. That you think she should have known better is not the point either. That you think her portrayal of the church should be a one-dimensional, you-either-love-it-or-hate-it-but-pick-a-side-already depiction is absurd. She's not writing a devotional here; she's writing her life story.
Not to mention, that CJane takes full responsibility for her own choices here, despite the messages she felt she was receiving in her home and church.
@Heather -- You said: "I have NEVER read a Primary Lesson that taught girls to be ashamed of their shoulders"
I say, bulllllshiiiiit. It may not be in the lesson manual, but it is definitely taught... and maybe not even on purpose. If you make your 4-four-year-old daughter wear garment-apt clothes, or if you don't correct your son when he proclaims that that toddler girl in a tank top is "being immodest" (oh yes!), then as far as children are concerned, the message is very clear: A girl's shoulders are to be covered. Shoulders must be bad. That's one of many problems with teaching children and teens that modesty is about covering up body parts... those children grow up to always have their shoulders and knees covered, but then think it is perfectly modest and Christ-like to care what brand of clothing they wear.
You can't pick up one end of the stick without the other side coming too. If you pick up anger and blame ("the church" did not cause you to marry young...you did that all on your own. You picked him...or did the church do that too)than expect the other side to come too. Nothing good will ever come from blaming someone or something for your choices. Be happy and go live your beautiful life.
I just have to add one last "me too" to the list. I never learned "mothering skills" in YW and never felt pressured to marry young or otherwise. We went rock climbling, hiking and river rafting. It's not a generational thing, I'm 39. I guess if I were looking for something to blame on my faith,YW leaders,parents,society,my neighbors,the weather, I could...but I choose not to.
i love this post. Thank you for writing it. I LOVE reading what you write.
This is not a "Utah culture" thing. I grew up in Portland, Oregon and had the same view.
Not all lessons are specifically on marriage & babies, but so often it is stuck in the lesson, as in "Get an education! so you will be able to help your kids with their homework." or "Be modest so that you can get married in the temple.", etc.
This is what is taught.
And for those complaining that being ashamed of shoulders and that Women are Incredible! need to read the Friend and the Primary lesson manual more often -- and in detail. This month they suggest that the Primary children comb through the For Strength of Youth pamphlet, which is completely inappropriate for their age and comprehension.
Bravo! I had the same experience in a California ward. I ended up deciding that this church was not for me and found much more joy, happiness, acceptance, and peace outside the church than in. My whole world opened up. I'm glad that you have been able to keep your faith even if the culture of the church lets you down. There are many paths to the same goal. Good for you for speaking your truth! You are important!
I am the same age as you. I was raised in AZ and my YW days were some of the best of my life. I was taught that "individual worth" meant that our value in the Lords eyes comes from within, regardless of marital status. We went to batting cages, we went water skiing, we did service and yes, we baked and did crafts as well. I married for the first time at age 23 to an amazing man and certainly didn't feel "too old". I am often surprised that you paint such an ugly picture of the culture of the town you claim to love. The message you send reads: "Never raise your children in Provo!"
Cjane - don't listen to these people. Everyone has their own truth. By the way, I got a college education and then went on to get a Ph.D. When I was 26 I was up at our mountain cabin with my LDS aunt while I was studying for my dissertation defense oral exams. We talked briefly about the exam then she asked why I wasn't married. Followed by, her exact words, I will never forget "What is the matter with you?" I was speechless. She was trying to be well-meaning too! Of course this was not church doctrine speaking, but this was a devout church member echoing the teachings/culture of the church. To say that the people/culture of the church do not in some way reflect the foundation/teachings of the church is very simple-minded. And to go further to explain cjane's experience on her 'attitude' is, frankly, insulting. Incidentally, I was proud to devote my 20s to gaining an education and being independent. I married 3 weeks after my 30th birthday and have been married 13 years and have 2 beautiful children. And there is nothing the matter with me.
This is what I get from from the post:
1. IN YOUR FAMILY: be careful about teaching marriage as a symbol worth or goodness.
2. WHEN WORKING WITH YOUTH: be sensitive to girls who are already battling a media culture that often tells women their worth is valued in how sexy, attractive and "valuable" they are to men. (because this slides right into INACCURATE or poorly planned gospel discussions about the importance of marriage.
I also love the last two lines where Cjane takes responsibility for her own choice, and realizes that despite any family or myopic/uncreative YW activities —she knew the truth about her own divine nature.
The post isn't about how marriage should or shouldn't be taught—it's about how she made a choice—and what factors may have influenced that choice.
But! I do hope a lot of YW (and YM) leaders read this post and evaluate how they discuss going to the temple & getting married. Is it just about "getting married" or about making covenants with a God who loves us. And what does that mean in terms of a life devoted to Christ?
On a sidenote: I'm 30 and single and i love being Mormon. I can't remember talking about marriage very often in YW—just that it was important. But the difference of my experience doesn't invalidate Cjane's or the importance of always evaluating the effects of how we teach principles.
I think that's an awesome thing to do as a writer. To write a paragraph that encourages people to think and evaluate and discover more truth.
Rock on everyone.
I grew up in Utah and had awesome YW experiences. I never had anything like what you experienced. We were taught that we are daughters of God and of infinite worth. We were never ever pressured to marry young. I know these are your experiences and they are real, but why do you feel you have to work through your faith and your personal problems on a public blog with thousands of followers that now think that's what the church teaches? It's not. You should at least put a disclaimer in there. Don't you think there is a certain responsibility that comes when you have so many followers to at least state that there is absolutely no church doctrine that teaches anything of the experiences you felt? Yes, leaders and teachers are flawed. We all are. But what you got out of church is vastly different than what I did and it makes me so sad that people reading this might not understand that. From the comments, you can clearly see that some people now think less of our faith than they did before reading this post. Was that your goal? Ugh.
Now cjane has to worry about how this will reflect on the church? Gimme a break. We are all part of the same whole and nothing is gained by acting out of fear rather than strength.
Cjane, you are one courageous woman. Rock on!
You have such a lovely, honest voice. Thank you.
@Morgan Lee: are you cjane's PR spokesperson? Or do you not have anything better to do than sit here and rebuttle everyone who doesn't share your opinion. Yes, people will defend their religion when it is being shed in a bad light, is that ok with you?
My religion is sacred to me; its not "sper weird",that's YOUR opinion, so for you totell me I can't deny that just makes you look pathetically ignorant.
Oh my gosh. I appalled by the number of LDS readers and commenters on your blog who want you to be PR for the mormon church. THIS is what makes us look weird as a church. The more we feel comfortable enough with the trickier aspects of our faith to tell our own truth, the more normal our church seems. I'm still fully active in the church after experiencing similar challenges - and additional ones as well. Do we not think that people can experience our faith as a nuanced and dynamic one? I worry for people who's testimonies are so fragile that they cannot abide you telling the truth about your own personal experiences.
Please keep on telling your truth Courtney. You're a very good writer and you have engaging thoughts and I for one really look forward to your re-telling of your life experiences.
Ignore the haters and the people who would have you censor your own life so that they can feel more comfortable with theirs.
Aahh! I can't handle the commenters on this blog anymore. One more thing and I'm gone forever....I DISAGREE WITH YOU DOES NOT EQUAL I HATE YOU!
please don't bother responding to me, I'm on to something more uplifting.
I agree with Bill. Don't be a hypocrite. Either you believe, or you don't. Maybe you could consider posting the reason you decided to stay a Mormon after having such negative experiences growing up a Mormon. Also, I started reading your blog because I enjoyed your humor. I REALLY miss that.
Cjane.
Glad you're back! I have missed reading your posts. Your adventures this past month looked amazing. I grew up in Utah and have since moved to St. Louis. No, I am not LDS but I can relate to some of your stories since I grew up in the Utah culture.
I don't read your blog because you are a "Mormon" writer. I read it, because it's relatable. Whether it's about post-partum depression, struggling with body image, not paying enough attention to our husbands, discussing the challenges of motherhood, or just talking about life. It's all very relatable and the way you write about it, soothes my soul. Plus,I like getting my Utah fix seeing your pictures. Those lovely mountains...sure do miss em.
Anywho, thank you for sharing your stories and writing so eloquently.
I loved this post. I'm not LDS, but I had similar experiences in my own conservative Protestant upbringing. For me, it wasn't what we were taught in our lessons as much as what we were exposed to - what was culturally acceptable. While I did make a good choice in a spouse (which is total luck because I had no idea what I was getting into when I married at 20), I don't understand why no one pushed me for more. No one was telling me I was smart and could do more and should finish college - it was just a good thing to be married off.
I love my faith, but I don't love all the other *stuff* that goes with it. God and I are great - it's the Christians that give me issues. But things won't change unless we talk about them. I have beautiful amazing memories - and I have horrible ones. That doesn't mean I'm contradicting myself - it means I'm human.
Nothing about this (or anything I've seen on this blog) makes me think less of the LDS church. In fact, it makes me think better of it. The outsider perspective is that Mormons are this homogeneous culture of people who all think, do and act the same thing. Maybe that's unfair, but it is what it is. Seeing that you can be LDS but hold different views of different things - well, that is a GOOD thing to me. What makes me think something is weird (LDS or not) is a blog about how perfect their life is, where only good, perfect and beautiful things happen. Because that's not reality.
@Ruthanne -- despite your unwarranted attack on me as a person, I am going to grace you with the privilege of reading a reasoned, dispassionate response from me. I will make (minimal) effort to avoid personal attacks on you while doing so (or maybe I won't).
Weird =/= bad, especially when used by me. Look it up.
And anyway, I know pa-lenty of faithful Mormons who acknowledge the church's weirdness and wouldn't want it any other way. Good for them, I say. Some people find it more faith-affirming to grapple openly with their religion's quirks and imperfections, and cultural oddities rather than hushing up and burying their head in the sand. To admit to the negative, but to still come out of it with a strong testimony -- this is a very common, and very spiritually uplifting narrative for LOTS of people. Clearly not for you.
lol at my being Cjane's PR person. I comment on about 5% of Cjane's posts, and usually voicing disagreement. Disagreement =/= hate as you so aptly observed.
But clearly I have commented to much on this one. I mean, the number of times I have commented on this thread obviously shows that I have nothing better to do than rebuttle [sic] everyone who disagrees with me. Oh wait, that's right, you and I have commented the same number of times O=
One last thing... as a woman married to a faithful LDS person, raising my family here in Utah, and having to make the choice very soon whether or not I am going to join the church, I have to tell you, in all seriousness, that it is INVARIABLY people like you -- overreacting to every less-than-sugary tale of life in the church and straining and clawing to make sure nobody for a moment has an ill thought about Mormons -- that make the Church look bad in threads like these.
Invariably.
oh people, The catholics have stiffled women for years too. C.Jane- you are not alone. From a nice Catholic girl from "New Yawk" Our church does it too... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/is-the-catholic-church-sending-a-message-to-women/2012/05/23/gJQAxGQCkU_blog.html Get Married , Make babies...
I wish there was a 'like' button for these comments.
Free Agency Rocks!!!
When I graduated from High School and started going to Relief Society, I remember sitting through a lesson and thinking, "How on earth does this apply to me?". Well, after mulling it over for a few minutes, I decided...it doesn't! That was one sweet woman's opinion, not doctrine. I was totally able to separate the two. (Especially since she was from an older generation and grew up in Utah - TOTALLY Kidding!)
I do not find it simple minded at all to respectfully listen as others share their point of view and experiences and then to decide for myself whether I agree or not. Thankfully, I have been given the Gift of the Holy Ghost to help me discern truth and make decisions. If I were to accept anything that comes out of the mouth of a church member as pure truth or as a direct reflection on the church, that would be simple minded. (And downright scary...I've heard some doozies.)
@Morgan Lee - You are right...The church is "super weird" in today's world. We are a "Peculiar People!" LOL! No "B.S."...I really have NEVER read a Primary lesson that talks about the body being shameful in any way. I have always read and taught that it is one of the greatest blessings our Heavenly Father has given us. Modesty is really a much broader topic than bare shoulders. There is modesty in dress, but also in speech, actions, thoughts, etc.
I'm glad that you were such a faithful believer who was able to be in touch with the 'holy ghost' to tell you what you were hearing from a representative of the church was wrong. Now, just read that over a few times. . .
We're talking about CHILDREN going to church to be TAUGHT. I know that everyone has had different experiences. One important church value is to be a good student and study the scriptures, church history, respect your elders and teachers. If that's the case, wouldn't be all be being good students to take those church teachers to heart?? How can say it's the responsibility of the children as students to be able to discern the difference?
Perhaps it's all revisionist history (or reconstructive memory). If the church has been supportive of all that you are/wish to be then it all hangs together in your memory as a very positive, uncomplicated memory. Other people have different feelings about it. Some people don't see things in black/white, either/or. This is one person's memoir of HER story, nothing more.
BUT a story that will ring true, resonate with, and help soooo many people. Keep writing Cjane.
@ Jenny from 'New Yawk' (and anyone else who is interested, I just wanted to say 'New Yawk'!) Do you think it's maybe just society in general, and not religions that make us feel this way? We weren't connected to any church growing up and I know my friends and I almost felt in competition to get married first. The popular, pretty girls got boyfriends, the rest of us were jealous... I'm sure it must the same the world over. I expect there were plenty of girls who didn't feel that way, but I don't know any of them ;)
@Karen - I was 17 1/2 years old when I was in that class listening to a "representative of the church" (an everyday woman called to teach RS lessons) sharing her personal views and take on a gospel principle. I was not too young to seek out an answer for myself on the subject.
I was also the same age bracket as many YW throughout the church. (Young Women are 12-18.)
We are taught about making good choices from the time we are 3 years old at church, and probably earlier at home. I was certainly more than capable of making a choice, good or bad, by the time I was 17.
I have certainly made more than my fair share of mistakes and have had moments of sheer stupidity...but we are certainly capable of listening to the Holy Ghost and following His promptings, even at a very young age! I am grateful to have had many experiences with my family and on my own to strengthen my testimony of that.
I certainly am not criticizing CJane's feelings and don't doubt that this was "her" experience. Perhaps you could be a bit more accepting that other people have had different experiences.
I personally did not go the "simple/uncomplicated" or "black/white" route. I dated a non-member for 3 years before I married him a couple of weeks before I turned 22 years old. Both of our families were less than thrilled...and it wasn't easy.
We all have a story...
I wasn't aware that I was judging anyone's opinion. The 'simple-minded' comment was directed at those comment-makers to seemed (at least to me) to be equating Cjane's experience not reflective at all of the churches teaches/values.
My point is, yes, we all make choices and, yes, the 'teachers' are all separate and distinct individuals who interpret the teachings differently. But they all have lesson plans. And these lesson plans come from the church.
Simple minded is reacting to cjane's post by saying 'well that's just your attitude' or 'that's just YOUR experience' and implying that this is completely separate from the church. Come on. Be real.
Of course marriage and motherhood is important in the LDS church. Family is foremost. Of course those values are taught.
Those teachings fall on the ears of the youth in many different ways. But to deny that those teachings are out there is 'simple minded', IMO. I certainly did not mean to say that those who adhere to the churches teachings are simple-minded. But, come on, you can't deny that the social pressure to marry and procreate is very high in the Mormon church. Or was my LDS ward on the moon somewhere?
I love your blog. Love it. And I love what you've written here.
The only thing that bothers me has to do with a couple of the commenters.I'm not LDS (I'm a lay-leader in the Protestant church), but what I read about your faith in your blog is really beautiful and honorable-- and I can tell you that I didn't grow up learning or hearing that about Mormons. Reading your blog has really opened my eyes to beauty in your faith.
But when people who share your faith want to censor you is when the things that non-Mormon people say seems to be confirmed. Are they afraid that what they believe is so fragile that it can't stand up under a member's honesty about his or her experience? Are you only allowed to say "good" things?
Are all Mormons exactly alike? Do you all have the expectation that you will have identical experiences? Are you not allowed to talk about the things you're working through?
Cjane, I read your faith as real. Your love for the Lord sounds sincere. And your experience, allowing Him to bring you through to healing, sounds profound. You've been the best witness for the Mormon church that I have ever read or heard.
Love this!
I'm so glad you're back! In your absence I've been reading old posts of yours and can I just say I love you.
I too chose to be robbed. I am lucky to be married to a man willing to work to make up for that, who is happy to support me as my dreams and aspirations grow and shift beyond what my YW lessons taught me.
I chose my path, but it was the only path that was presented to me (strait and narrow, right?)
I've since learned that the path is wide and able to accommodate many visions for a full life. I count my blessings that I have the means and the support to forge my own way from now on.
All you feminists may not want to hear this, but for a lot of people, marriage and family is a worthy goal and it really does bring more joy and satisfaction than anything else this world has to offer. The family unit was set up by God to bring us happiness and teach us to be like Him.
So what's wrong with preparing young men and women? Marriage is hard, parenting is hard. Its a skill, it doesnt always come naturally. Ever wonder why the divorce rate is high? Young people aren't prepared.
Shame on Cjane for her negatively surrounding the church. Her experience is not the reality, and sadly, this blog is the only exposure many will have to the LDS faith.
These posts are designed to create controversy and high traffic...unfortunate.
I don't consider myself a feminist, but I do advocate young women being given the freedom and respect and support to discover themselves and develop and grow and experience the world and know who they really are before they decide to marry and become mothers. I got to do that, against the traditions of my own family, but by following the Spirit in what was right for me.I can say that marriage at 30 has been infinitely easier for me than younger marriage was for some of my dear ones. I also have nothing against getting married young if you want to and your spouse is willing to grow along with you. I am sorry for the pressure you felt..it's real, there is that voice in our culture, but hopefully we are teaching our girls to tune into a better voice, the one that tells you that you have a unique mission,
to take your time and grow...marriage and motherhood are eternal roles...they will be waiting for you.
I feel really conflicted about posting a comment, because, really, who reads these? And thinks about these? (Apparently me.) And I don't want to encourage those who just feel like arguing about who is more righteous and who is more real. But I feel strongly about the topics being brought to light in this post, especially the comment that "you either believe or you don't."
One of the beauties of the gospel of Jesus Christ is that we are afforded the ability to pray and receive personal revelation. We are invited to "search, ponder, and pray." For us to simply believe or not implies an end to knowledge, an end to continuing revelation, an end to eternal growth--and all of those things are directly in disagreement with the simple beauty of the principles taught by the church. God intends for us to wrestle with precepts, with commandments, with personalities (oh, how we wrestle with some personalities more than others) and he intends for us to wrestle for the rest of our days. To condemn our souls and intellects to cling to a belief because it is "just so" is to deny our Heavenly Father to teach and instruct us. We need more soap boxes and more disagreement and more controversy simply because it causes each of us to step back and reflect on whether or not we truly DO believe. Instead of "believe or don't" we should be admonishing "acknowledge the flaws and the problems, and then marvel at what a beautiful gift it is to STILL believe."
I love that cjane's can love her faith and question her church and culture and love her town and childhood and question parts of them at the same timee. Yes it may seems contradictory at times but she's saying how she feels. She feels conflicted at times, sure at others. And it's not her job to promote the church. The COB has a staff and huge budget for that. Cjane's is just one person struggling to do her best and understand this world.
I'd rather have my children taught to prepare to take on responsibilities in life (marriage and family) than to be the lazy, self serving, entitled generation we've got going on right now! Go LDS people, you may be the only sane ones left :)
I admire your bravery to tell your story and be authentic. No shame! I was 22 when I got married and this was a decision due to consistent pressure from my family (who asked if I was gay) and my community in Southern Utah, who continually asked why I wasn't married. I settled. This sounds superficial, but I'm going to be authentic, it really bothered me that my future husband was balding but I thought, "Hey, in the next life he'll have a full head of hair. I can overlook this." I spent the next 15 years putting my husband first, supporting him through medical school, never really considering my goals and aspirations. Once we started marriage counseling, I was told we were codependent--which I feel is an attribute cultivated deeply in mormonism. In the end though, once we realize all this, it is up to us what to do with it. Life is about choices. I'm still hung up on the bald thing though, and am now atheist.
Nice writing. Regardless of who you choose to blame; yourself, young women's leaders or society, the grass is always greener...
Married at 33
Unexplained infertility
First child at 37
Now 38 and praying daily that I'll be able to have a second.
Sure I had lots of great experiences, traveled the world, etc., but I would give anything to have been able to marry young and "choose" the number of children I would have. Marrying late does not guarantee that your life will be better, it just guarantees it will be different.
You are back, and with good stuff. Sometimes it is good to have a break! Thanks for a thoughtful piece of writing.
I cherish authenticity in a person, and you've got it.
A religion should / can be a part of one's life; it should not define it.
You are welcome to express your experiences, and we all will come away better for it.
I'm glad I found this blog; tell it as you see it little sister!
i don't comment much--but had to say i LOVED this. to those who say she's "bashing" the church, i completely disagree. she's simply stating HER experience in life, i certainly don't see any bashing. in fact she has often expressed her love for her mormon values, upbringing etc. i personally love your honest and beautiful writing. perhaps we don't always see eye to eye--but that's the beauty of it...WHO CARES? i value and cherish reading about YOUR life experiences. it broadens MY view of this big old world we live in! :) keep up the good work.
C.Jane. I think this blogpost is a very beautiful reflection on your youth and the choice you made back then. Even if you didn't see it back then, I truly hope you do see now that you're always able to make your own decisions. Wishing you all the best from rainy Holland xoxo
i love the honesty and reflection in this post. thanks for sharing.
How great for those of you who did not have to go through your most formative years as a young woman feeling lost and confused. I am happy for you that your leaders had the foresight to foster individualism and self reliance in your tender hearts.
And how sad for you that you cannot allow cjane and the rest of us who were not so lucky to our feelings. I am 35 and have only in the last two years been able to really understand who I am as a person outside of what my very conservative Mormon parents told me I was supposed to be.
I was just talking to my youngest brother the other day about this. He has been home from his mission for 2 years now and my Mom continues to pressure him to get married. "So he can have a sense of purpose."
I never understood that there could be other ways for me to find my purpose until I fully stepped away from the Mormon church and the feeling that I owed something to my parents in MY belief system and way off life.
Open your minds to the possibilities that it is ok for us to be different from one another, to have different ways of looking at the world, and to bless each other with the freedom from judgement.
We are here to discover who we are, not to tear each other down.
Brooke - well said!
This was so lovely. I missed your writing. Please keep it up. The world needs your voice. Your essay mirrored some of my own experiences and I too am sad for believing my worth was tied to marrying young and having children. I am still trying to overcome this false notion and regret the choices I made because of it. I am saddest because I know I could have made better choices and I didn't. I appreciate your honesty in owning your own choices, regret the pain you experiences and wish you ever the best. You are a fascinating human being!
I know this is a serious post and everything and this is not the focus, but seriously were your YW activities really that lame or are you exaggerating for artistic effect or something? I mean, I did plenty of fun high adventure stuff at girls' camp myself--rapelling, horseback riding, canoeing, guns, archery...and as a leader I have done it with YW as well. I totally get that we do teach marriage and family, but I think the girls have lots of active fun as well--sports too! I just think that was a little unfair to the YW program--UNLESS you were really telling the whole truth about what your ward was like...come on CJane, fess us sister! Was it really THAT bad??? If so then I feel very sorry for those girls as well...
Thank you, this really resonates with me.
What a powerful piece. I loved it. I think about this topic all the time because I got married young as well. When I fell in love for the first time, and I asked my parents if I should get married they told me it was my choice. Leaving a life changing decision up to a 20 year old whose brain isn’t fully developed, and is experiencing love for the first time just does not make sense. So yes, it was a choice. But it was a choice that was loaded with family and church expectations, and my eternal progression hanging on.
This is so poignant. Your writing is incredibly moving.
The most important teachers are not those in our YW classes. The most important teachers are those in the home and what we teach our children. I grew up in a VERY LDS home and was taught that marriage is wonderful and desirable but to go to college and graduate, work, go on a mission and create myself and when marriage came along fit it into my plans, not make it my ONLY plan. So I did and married at 25 and am so grateful! My parents are wise.
I have to say, since I've been a YW teacher, this makes me feel so bad! I can't remember ever really pushing marriage, but since every person is different and has different feelings and perspectives, there is just no way to win. Even if you were so careful with what you taught, somebody could always take something differently than you meant it.
We can't really blame anyone else I suppose for our own lives. Even if we felt we had to live up to a certain expectation from our parents, leaders or friends: ultimately we have to deal with our own choices (no one can actually MAKE us do anything), I'm not saying its easy or okay, but we all have the opportunity to learn from our experiences and not blame other people. I got married when I was 18, did I do it because I felt my self worth was dependent on it? No, I fell in love. Was I pushed in my religion or my home? No, I had plenty of people at church freaking out that I was too young. But even if it was the other way, in the end I'm the only one who can take responsibility for that choice, because those people who did push early marriage aren't going to come by and save me when things get hard and take that responsibility. Its only me.
Also, I think it would make life a lot easier if we looked at those people who do teach/say maybe questionable things, that they are doing their best. Instead of looking at them as ignorant or wrong, it might help to realize they weren't trying to ruin your life, they were trying to teach you something good with the best they had. I'm sure none of those teachers or parents sat up at night plotting how to derail young girls lives.
My parents didn't always do everything right, but I KNOW they did the best they could and they loved me. Do I have issues with some of the things I was taught? Yes, I still struggle trying to reconcile some feelings. But once again, I'm the one who has to do it, not my parents. They can't fix this for me even if they caused it.
I think Cjane was good to share her feelings, that was her experience, how could she write it any other way without lying? Thinking about things is always good, if she opened up discussion thats great. If it helps people be more careful in how they teach the youth, great. If it makes you reconsider how you talk to your own children, great. But the blaming really needs to stop. The negativity in our world is outrageous. It makes me tired. :/
Well-written, thoughtful, honest, real and raw post. Loved it.
I was raised active LDS in Carlisle, PA by moderate, intelligent, and faithful parents. My father was a professor, and my mother an English teacher. My family (of 4 siblings) had regular FHE, scripture study, and church attendance. Church was great for me as a YW. We did all sorts of activities, from service to crafts to activities, although never any sort of "high-adventure" type activities - Girls' Camp was the only adventure-type activity, but it was fun and I loved it. I went to BYU for 2 years, studied Junior year abroad at Heidelberg Universitat in Germany, transferred to and and graduated from my father's small liberal arts college in Carlisle, served a mission to Munich, Germany, and got married in the temple at age 26 1/2. I'm still married and we have 2 kids; currently living in Sandy, UT.
I don't remember specific YW lessons, but I do remember gaining a testimony of specific Mormon Doctrine as a result of my regular church attendance as a YW and student at BYU. I was absolutely shocked at the emphasis on marriage at BYU. For young adults that are under age 23 on average? But of course it makes sense according to Mormon Doctrine. . .All of us as LDS members must agree that marriage is absolutely essential within Mormon Doctrine as an essential step in order to gain exaltation. Mormon Doctrine specifically states that in order to achieve entrance to the highest level in Heaven, where Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit reside, one must be sealed in the temple in marriage to a member of the opposite sex. We also must agree that the Law of Chastity is essential to Mormon Doctrine as well. The Law of Chastity has specific rules about sexual conduct and sexual purity. All sex is only sanctioned within lawful marriages. There should be no sexual arousal before marriage, including masturbation, or extra marital conduct with another person after marriage. We are also to strive for not allowing any sexual thoughts of any other individual, besides our spouse. As such, is it any wonder that practicing Mormons want to get married young?!?!?
Of course, as many people indicated on this thread, many people do get married later, and some are still waiting to get married. However, the average age for marriage in Utah is much lower than the national average (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1380/marriage-and-divorce-by-state). Idaho and Utah tie for lowest in nation at age 24 for women.
It is also Mormon Doctrine that we believe that everything that the Prophet and Apostles counsel us, is to be considered as direct commandment from our Heavenly Father. As such, when the Prophet released the Proclamation of the Family in 1995 (https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation), it should be considered Mormon Doctrine that a Mormon woman's number one goal and divine purpose in this life is to be the primary nurturing caregiver to children in the home. The Father is to provide, preside, and protect. In the Proclamation, Women are counseled to to work for money outside the home *only* in emergency situations - death, divorce or sickness.
This is Mormon Doctrine. Of course, every person's situation is different, and each person can receive personal revelation for their situation, which may be different than what the Proclamation states. But make no mistake: Mormon Doctrine is very clear about women's divine nature.
Ever since my mother was pregnant with my sister as a senior at BYU in 1968, and through today, our Prophet and Apostles still counsel members to not delay childbirth and childrearing for any reason - including education or career. (http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2011/10/children?lang=eng)
So it is entirely plausible that many LDS Young Women are indeed receiving this message that young marriage and birthing children right away are the way our Mormon Doctrine and leaders say is the right way to live a faithful LDS life, and therefore the best way to receive favor in our religious culture, and the best way to express our divine nature, and therefore have our most worth and love from God. Of course there are always differences of opinion in lay leadership and various wards, but let's please all be clear about our doctrine. It is entirely plausible that our Young Women are receiving the message that their worth is tied up in these very important doctrines.
I did not have my children until later, I stopped at only 2 children, and now that my boys are both in school, I work full-time with great benefits outside the home. So, the Proclamation kind of bugs me that it is so restrictive in the set roles that men and women are "sanctioned" to have within our church. I believe that going forward, with more opportunities for women in our American culture, that slowly changes will be made to include many other options for LDS women.
Thank you for this. I too, felt like being marry-able was my main purpose coming out of YW. I got married young, had a baby shortly after, but luckily things worked out. It could have been bad, really bad. I remember sitting with that brand new baby fulfilling my "calling" and feeling so alone (undetected PPD.) I am glad to have grown a few years from that and realize that I can still be my own person, still fulfill my dreams and that my worth is not based on if I am married or how many children I have. The Church is wonderful, but the culture can sometimes be harmful.
honestly reading this makes me so grateful for the ward I was raised in... maybe it was just different times... but us girls DID get to do all the same things the boys did, as well as learning the "domesticated" stuff.
I never felt pressure to get married young and start popping out babies. Not from my parents nor from my church leaders.
Sometimes it shocks me how different experiences can be in the same religion - yet when I really think about it I guess it shouldn't be that surprising... because cultures and people can be so vastly different, even if they are right next door to each other.
Melinda -
I'm not sure if you were referring to me when you mentioned the blaming needs to stop.
My intention of my comment was not to blame anyone. I was just bringing up some thoughts that I had been thinking about, related to cjane's post. I am not blaming my parents or church leaders, I was merely questioning the pressure I had to marry.
Shannon j...I took Melinda's comment to mean that cjane should not ever, in any way, lay blame on the church. Because as many here indicated, the church is perfect but the people are flawed. My response to that is: the church *is* the people!!!! We cannot separate one from the other.
Healthy discussion of religion, culture, faith, people and programs is good!!!! We all have a voice; we all can fit under the big umbrella of Mormonism. We all are allowed to express our feelings and experiences regardless of positivity or negativity. It's ok. Christ has a place for all of us.
This is an issue near and dear to my heart. I am 17. I live in Illinois, in a relatively small ward. I could not tell you the number of times I have come out of YW angry because I was tired of being told that the reason for my existence, not the most important thing I would do, which I can agree with, but the only thing I would ever be good for was having babies. Get an education just in case your husband can't provide. Stay chaste because no one wants "used merchandise". Learn to budget, teach, be self-reliant because one day you will have to raise righteous children. One of the worst experiences was when we watched a VERY old video in Seminary that featured a righteous, domestic young woman who turned down a large scholarship in order to pursue motherhood instead, contrasted with her "worldly" friend, who wasn't sure about kids and was going to a prestigious college instead. But despite all my anger, I will not let it change my belief, because I know that that is not the important. All that I listed before is good- education, staying chaste, even learning homemaking skills because regardless of marital or familial status we will one day have homes- but the reasons given are not necessarily the best. But that doesn't matter. What matters is the Atonement. The Book of Mormon. The Plan of Salvation. Much of the objectionable material I see as a product of its time (my mom says that except for some updated quotes, the lessons are exactly the same as she had 30 years ago). Just because the church is true does not mean all members of the church, even those in positions of authority, are perfect or that the operations of the church are completely independent of what the population at large may think even if that is not necessarily the exact truth we will only come to know in the next life. It is much like many of the writings of the New Testament: just because one writer may say that women must remain silent and hatted in church does not discredit his writings about the charity of Christ, and just because we know that the writings on the charity of Christ is true does not mean that the admonition about silent and hatted is really what our Heavenly Father wants. I am not saying we may pick and choose which aspects of the gospel we wish to obey, but I am saying that Heavenly Father does not merely hand out perfection, he makes us work towards it, and he makes us work towards it on his schedule, which may be way too slow for many of us. But I also hold on because I can see the change. My inside sources (old family friends) at the Church Office building in the manual department have let us know that a complete update of the young women manuals is in the works. At the last YW general broadcast much was said about education, and on how we deserve one just because the glory of God is intelligence, not because we will have to teach our children. I have been back from girl's camp for about three hours. Marriage was mentioned once all week, in the Stake President's address on how different the world's ideals are from those of our Heavenly Father. The camp was attended by over one hundred girls, who canoed and hiked and shot arrows and identified constellations and built a temple in the center of camp using 20 foot poles and their knot-tying skills. Not a homemaking course in site, unless you count (and we probably should) the countless lessons on love and respect and service and kindness and how we can change the world for those around us so easily with example and friendship.
Family and marriage is important, it is central to the plan of happiness and it is something we should all strive for. But it is not everything. We are so much more as women. Our Heavenly Father knows that, and he wants us to know that. He has a different plan for each of us,whether it involves children at 20, or 37, or not at all. But regardless of whether we have children, or are not married yet, or are
young and trying to figure it out like myself, we need our testimonies. We need Christ, we need his infinite Atonement, we need his love. We need to pray and read our scriptures and love our neighbors and grow closer to our God. I know so many righteous women, and none of them fit the happy homemaker Molly Mormon stereotype that masquerades as doctrine in too many lives. I may not experience the change in YW in the year I have left, but I know that my daughters, if and when they come, will come too know their Father as his precious daughters, and not as his designated cookie-bakers.
Allison (not Carol Lee as it says above)
I am rolling on the floor laughing with this commenters. As a Catholic I would be a complete moron to think the Catholic Church is perfect. This is her point of view, geez, relax MORMONS.
Other people already have their own opinion of your church already whether she post this or not.
Oh CJane, I'm sorry that was your experience. Let me share mine...
I'm your age (35, right?), grew up in northern Utah, and although as YW we were definitely taught the importance of temple marriage, the emphasis I heard was the temple. When (and even "if") you get married, get married in the temple. Luckily for me, I never heard or at least felt that marriage and children was the only path for me, or the only way for a LDS woman to be successful. After graduating high school and college, I went on to get a master's degree and spent three years in my career before I was married. Even now, three kids later, I continue to work in my field and don't feel a bit of guilt and or shame. And I've been lucky to not feel any judgement from ward members for my choice to continue to pursue my career (although I've heard from other working LDS moms that they have, dang it).
I only only share this to hopefully demonstrate that the church doesn't exclusively pushes it's young girls to focus on an early marriage followed shortly thereafter with children, it totally depends on which leaders are currently serving. And well-intentioned though those leaders may be, all of us make mistakes. In my opinion, yours did. :)
A few years ago I served as YW President. I think we were very well-rounded in the messages and lessons we gave our girls. In fact, the theme of our first Evening Of Excellence program was "Dream Big" where the girls made posters of their hopes and dreams, inspired by a questionnaire the leaders wrote that covered topics such as hobbies, education, career, etc. Sure the girls picked temple marriage and children as goals, but I was just as thrilled to see college, grad school, study aboard, etc. as dreams as well. (And I'm even more glad to know that one of those girls is starting med school next week!)
Well CJane... look at you now! You went from stenciling recipe boxes to authoring one of the most successful blogs on the net. Not bad at all. :)
Im so grateful for my young woman president who was taught me over and over again the importance of taking OURSELVES to the temple to receive our covenants, with or with out a husband. A 21 year old returned missionary and a pretty white dress doesn't guarantee a successful marriage that is guided by the gospel eternally. The journey you take before marriage and the person you become BEFORE you make the covenant is and will always be the determining factor.
And today I stop reading your blog forever.
oh wow, I loved this post and you being refreshingly honest about the hard aspects of faith has somewhat helped me keep mine intact - though shattered it is. But the condemning comments of those who insist you be just as close minded as they are make me not only embarrassed to be a woman but mostly embarrassed to be mormon. Please keep writing this way - even if its completely selfish...
I need it.
Teaching young women's and having daughters of my own has caused me to question so many of the core concepts and values we teach girls in the church. Your line about feeling that your value will decrease with time as you grow older without marrying rings so true to my own experience. I remember feeling gripped with fear that I would not find a boy to convince I was worthy of his love. I can't help to think that each girls individual worth should never be measured by her ability to procure a husband and bear children. I loved this post and your open heart. Thank you!
Sorry, I thought I was pretty clear in what I meant. I wasn't specifically talking to any of the commenters when I said the blaming needs to stop. I was saying its really just sort of useless to blame YW leaders, parents, teachers or whoever else for how our life turns out, because we're the only ones who are responsible for our own lives. Blaming other people for our circumstances doesn't actually change our circumstances.
I was definitely NOT saying that Cjane should not under ANY circumstances blame the church because its perfect and the people are not, I was just saying the blaming doesn't really do any good. I also said that I thought it was good for her to share her experience, that discussion is great, that we should think about these things and come to our own truths.
I'm happy for good discussions, especially when people are nice and thoughtful about what they're saying. :) And I'm grateful to have opportunities to share my own opinion on things that are important to me too.
You said exactly what's on my mind. I think CJane's writing is eloquent and I appreciate her p.o.v., but there have been many times that she makes the church look weird.
I joined the church when I was 18. If I was 18 and reading this, that would have colored my decision or swayed me away.
I think she should explain that it was more the culture of UT that colored this and that influenced the YW lessons. I see how that is the case. Handling this with a little more care would be helpful.
This might be my favorite CJane post ever. I truly believe that something deep inside me, as a woman, longs to be a wife and mother. Growing up in a Christian community, I too, felt pressure to get married and have children at a young age. I remember not wanting to get married too young, because of witnessing the mistakes of others who had done the same. I fell in love for the first time young (don't we all?) But a huge part of me is glad I didn't marry him. I've felt a longing for children almost deeper than my longing for a husband. But my longing for my God is by far the strongest. I often feel too fearful, and maybe that holds me back. I've rejected many men, and been rejected by one or two myself. Something inside of me has kept screaming "Wait for my best for you. Wait, on the Lord." And so I am.
Oh, the choices we make. I know - I managed some pretty bad ones in my time.
Love your writing. xx
I saw this http://www.lds.org/church/news/church-announces-new-youth-curriculum-for-2013?lang=eng today and it made me think back to this post and all the many comments on it. I was wondering if you'd seen it. It sounds wonderful.
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